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Hardware News   Hardware News : First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
   posted by DJS on 18-Apr-2005 11:59:33 (4884 reads)
Pictures of the production version of DRAGON 1200, the ColdFire-based accelerator combined with the PCI/AGP expansion busboard, are published in the Elbox website at www.elbox.com/dragon_photos.html.



ColdFire CPU card:



Close-up of the DRAGON ColdFire CPU card fitted in the CPU slot. The ColdFire MCF5475 processor on the left.

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DRAGON 1200 mainboard:



Part of the DRAGON 1200 mainboard. From left: five PCI slots, AGP slot, CPU slot, PSCs module connector, and ATX connector.
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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
Posted on 18-Apr-2005 12:48:40
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looks cute...but then again...can we belive that it works?

a ppc card for it would be cool...but then again...where is the os4 liscense?


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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
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Are you aware of the fact, that Coldfire isn't a PPC compatible CPU? It's more like a 68k one and OS4 is a powerpc operating system.

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OS4 *is* powerpc, but the whole idea behind it was to (a) remove legacy dependencis and (b) move to a more portable code-base.

Perhaps a "recompilation" (massive understatement, I know ) would enable it to work.

Perhaps the coldfire comes with a 68k interpreter/emulator, and will therefore run OS3.9?

Perhaps AROS can be ported to it? MOS, even?


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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
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@Toaks
I wonder if they'll get around the license issue by providing "patches" for the Classic version of OS4 (which might be why they need OS4 to be released).

@Chip
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Are you aware of the fact, that Coldfire isn't a PPC compatible CPU? It's more like a 68k one and OS4 is a powerpc operating system.


Yeah, but the Shark is supposed to work with it too.

 
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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
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wow, this thing just may see the light of day after all! It will open
up a 3rd avenue of "Amiga" users though I fear.

 
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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
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Yeah, but the Shark is supposed to work with it too.


I didn't know that. But in that case Toaks has right. They will need license too.
If they are going to release those patches without permission, they will be in big trouble IMHO.

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Why oh why isnt a ppc g4 card coming out for the classics?


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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
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It should use PPC and not coldfire...

Users will end up buying an ACK accelerator because:
-It's faster
-It runs a modern OS and comes with OS4 license
-You don't have to pay for hundreds of extras that should come as standard.
-The small model fits on a standard A1200 and the big one can use modern CPUs...


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choices are always welcome!!!!!

Standalone dragon running AROS??!!!


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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
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It's nice, but OS4 won't support it. It will need some kind of a compatabilty library to run m68k software (like '040s and '060s need the 68040.library and 68060.library). That means old games and system unfriendly software won't run on it, and neither will new OS4 software.

So my question is: What is it good for?

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I hope only they come with an officail OS4 licence for the Shark.
Elbox are doing a great job.


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It's nice, but OS4 won't support it. It will need some kind of a compatabilty library to run m68k software (like '040s and '060s need the 68040.library and 68060.library). That means old games and system unfriendly software won't run on it, and neither will new OS4 software.


It's not meant for OS4. It is supposed to be for Classic fans that are happy with OS3.9 or less.

It's also a better option than a 68060 processor considering it's price and thefact that you'll have PCI and AGP slots too.

If there is any hardware hitting software that takes offense to it (such as flappy games that boot on startup) then you simply run them using the onboard RAM and the original 68020 processor.

I see no problems and lots of potential.


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Re: First pictures of Elbox's Dragon
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@Chip

Quote:
I didn't know that. But in that case Toaks has right. They will need license too.


It's said in the dragon FAQ, that Shark will work with it too. But Shark production wont start until OS4 final is released. Ofcourse they need OS4 lisence then.

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Maybe Garry Hare's 'other' machine, that's running OS4, is Coldfire based? Yes I know, OS4 is PPC, but maybe someones working on a Coldfire port behind the scenes? We all know the problems Eyetech have had with sourcing PPC chips, the volume buying, shipment delays, etc.

Elbox hardware rocks and hope to see an Elbox competitor to Eyetech's Amiga One in the future.

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dan.hutch:u know what...that i doubt but then again time will tell

@chip: its been known for a long time that the shark will slot in on the dragon and the mediators but its now 6 years since i first saw (and held) the sharkppc card.... well lets just say...i'd rather go for the ACK which seems to be comming alot faster than the sharkppc...


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I hope only they come with an officail OS4 licence for the Shark.
Elbox are doing a great job


It looks good, and I like the little details with the Dragon logo etc. Just a well thought out package.


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Posted on 18-Apr-2005 19:33:45
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With OS4 being released "when it's done", that could be tomorrow(we all hope),
next month, next year or two(hope not).. Until than, things like Dragon or ACK
will prolong my usage of amiga with OS3.9... My BlizzardPPC603/040 is chokeing me sometimes. Ah yes, who knows when Dragon or ACK will be available...


Also
I like to stay away from Windows, as much as I can, but I'm tempted because
lack of programs on AmigaOS, like Adobe Premiere, VT PAINT, decent web browser,etc...


OS4 - BRING IT ON

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Posted on 18-Apr-2005 20:11:00
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Yes, if the ACK board comes out, the Dragon will
become a rather unattractive option for the A1200.

I keep wondering why Elbox has targeted the
A1200!? Why not target classic machines
that will never get PPC? I've got an A2000 that
I'd buy a Coldfire accelleator for, providing that
it could be had at for a reasonable sum of $$.
It would be worth something to get 3.9/68k stuff
running at great speed.

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@ people wanting OS4 on Dragon

Remember that Hyperion has a licence for OS4 on PPC platforms only.
Of course, "if" Elbox pays enough Hyperion to do the port, they may be able to buy a licence for 68k to Amiga Inc.


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I still dont see the point of this card at all. Its Not PPC or 68K, so OS 3.x or OS4 will not be able to use it!
They should be working on the shark cards!

Wizz.

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