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Hardware News   Hardware News : Cell chip specs to be opened
   posted by billt on 24-May-2005 19:55:37 (3117 reads)
IBM will unlock door to Cell

Rick Merritt
EE Times
(05/23/2005 9:00 AM EDT)

San Jose, Calif. — The three developers of the Cell processor are preparing to release full chip specifications and software libraries in an effort to rally the open-source community around the device that powers the Sony Playstation 3. With the outlook for the multicore chip's use beyond Sony's internal systems cloudy at best, the partners are hoping to spark its uptake in applications ranging from HDTVs to supercomputers.
    

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Re: Cell chip specs to be opened
Posted on 24-May-2005 23:22:23
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I'd just like to note thst this doesn't mean that it's an open road to port AOS4 to the PS3.

It is however interesting in the sence that it might help a port if a suitable open specifaction motherboard that use a Cell chip is released.

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It is however interesting in the sence that it might help a port if a suitable open specifaction motherboard that use a Cell chip is released.


very possible that yesterdays news about Apple and Intel are related to this?

How about a Intel Cell?


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Well, that Apple Intel article was submitted here but I declined to post it as news, and suggested that it be discussed in the Other Computing and Technology forums. FWIW, Apple seems to do that every so many years, and I think it's just a bluff technique to try and leverage better price points for their PPC chips.

About the Cell, I hope that Hyperion can get their hands on one of those workstation prototype boards.

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Re: Cell chip specs to be opened
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Who cares? I'd rather have Amiga OS running on an opteron based system. Those are unbelievable and exist in workstation configs today. IBM is not a trustworthy company to deal with.

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Since it consumes too much power to be used in handheld devices Amiga Inc. would probably not be happy to hear about a new Amiga that uses it. I have higher hopes for the Nintendo Revolution than the PS3.

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very possible that yesterdays news about Apple and Intel are related to this?


Cell is manufactured by IBM, not Intel.


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Cell is manufactured by IBM, not Intel.


Yes that's true. But on the German PPCNUX site there were talks about Intel building Cell chips in licence because Apple don't want to get in a situation with IBM they got with Motorola! Intel has better capacities then IBM and Motorola together.


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How about a Intel Cell?


Well since it's a PowerPC controlling the Cell I doubt there will be an Intel-Cell cpu.

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i want AmigaOS working on many platforms where I can choose where play with it!!


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Hmmm... I still stick to my original thought... PS3 is probably the best candidate for a next gen A1200 replacement, considering you'll be able to use bluetooth keyboards and mice, plus according to the machines spec sheet it has a 2.5 inch hard disk bay (and I am betting it has a CD32/PS2 style expansion slot too...)

(Project Reality guys: dont take this the wrong way, as I see a PR cased micro-A1-i as the machine we should current have as the A1200 replacement... PS3 I think is a natural successor... for me anyway (and I am not expecting anyone to agree).

I dont think Revolution is going to be a particularly good piece of kit compared with PS3 and XBox 360 - it wil however have the better games one it IMHO... Same situation as the 'cube.


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@SvenHarvey

You're probably right about the Revolution but it sounds like it still will be more like the Classic Amigas than the other two game systems.

According to this article on Nintendo's website they will be opening up the development of the Revolution to independant game developers so it may be a more likely option than the PS3. (Not that I'd sneeze at the opportunity to have a PS3 running AmigaOS, however.)

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I am NOT trying to cause a commotion here believe me, but I was wondering why everyone is hell bent on running OS4 on a video game console? That sounds like a lot of effort, even connecting it to a modern monitor rather than a tv or hdtv.

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Is Cell processors any good for desktop / server apps? (e.g. I hear it does not have branch prediction). It might good at multimedia, CODECS, 3D calculations, FLOPS, and reasonably good at physics but it could be ####e running Apache / MySQL, Open Office 2, compiling sources etc.

Any thoughts / corrections?


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Hi Intuitioned,


I believe that one or more cell chips could be put on a motherboard, OR a PCI card, and you still HAVE TO HAVE a G4 or G5 970 on the motherboard, to run the AOS version that you want.


Hey, what about that? A PCI card with cell chips and ram on it, after all, these are JUST LIKE the way Amiga used to use co-processors, right?

That would immensely increase the power of a 933 MHz AmigaOne XE, or a 600 MHz SE!!!!

 
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Posted on 30-May-2005 23:55:40
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@Intuitioned

Well, IBM already have a workstation prototype built, as well as a full server blade, so yeah, I don't think they would go to all of that trouble if it wasn't suitable to use in desktop or server roles.

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