It's nice too see that IBM shows muscle.

Those in an Amiga would be great, but looking at the current situation I'd be happy for any CPU.

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I wouldn't get too excited. IBM is talking about this new process only in relation to the POWER 6 family, which is a cost-no-object server processor line. They can (and already do) use fabrication techniques for the POWER family would never be viable for mainstream parts.

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can someone please fix the link? ...it destroys the look of the frontpage here on aw...

other than that ,theese new cpu's sounds nice though i will belive it when i see it :O

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Power and PowerPC is not the same.

I would change the news-article to avoid misinterpretation.

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Do we really need that much power in an Amiga ?
Do we want to become like those PCLoosers running after mega-hurts ?

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I certainly agree that this is excellent news to strengthen Amigas' future
position in the computer industry of the 21th century

With the CELL-technology and on-going development of the new PPC-technlogoy
and a comeback-cooperation with Freescale/Motorola, this new future-proof
team proves to be an unbeatable force for the future of the Amiga, that
is PowerPC (with modifications where needed)

Simply freeky awesome!

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Power and PowerPC is not the same.

This sentence is as stupid as say that Xeon and x86 are not the same

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I wouldn't get too excited. IBM is talking about this new process only in relation to the POWER 6 family, which is a cost-no-object server processor line. They can (and already do) use fabrication techniques for the POWER family would never be viable for mainstream parts.

Neither would I.

IBM is making too much money in the console market to be bothered wasting time on the desktop. Their only big customer was Apple, and they are transitioning their product line to Intel.

In recent years the PPC has suffered from a total lack of interest from it's makers. They were making too much money selling them into embedded space, or as in IBM, consoles, to be bothered with making an investment in the desktop space.

Desktop processors are different from the ones used for embedded products, and have a different set of demands and lifecycles.

@Fransexy

"stupid" is a bit too much. "not quite the same" is more accurate.
These two CPUs don't target the same market.

Unless we are ready to buy an Amiga for $3000, this CPU is not for us.
Maybe one day when OS4 is full SMP.

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This sentence is as stupid as say that Xeon and x86 are not the same

Intel Xeon EMT64 can run OS and applications unchanged from 8086 era PC i.e. no mucking about with supervisor code compatibility and HAL.

While Power/PowerPC camp applies cut-and-paste on their ISA and HAL e.g.
1. I can’t run Windows NT 4.0 PowerPC edition on newer “PowerPC” boxes.
2. 'Book E' vs non-'Book E' PowerPC supervisor code incompatibility.
3. VMX-128 Vs VMX-32 cut-and-paste i.e. VMX-128 is not completely compatible with VMX-32 due to some missing VMX-32 instructions.
4. PowerPC 750 FX vs Power 750 GX compatibility issues with earlier AOS4.
5. PowerPC 970 breaking compatibility with PowerPC 7447A in regards to little endian mode instruction (breaks commercial X86 emulators).
6. BlueGene’s DP FP SIMDs not compatible with mainstream POWER.

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IBM is making too much money in the console market to be bothered wasting time on the desktop. Their only big customer was Apple, and they are transitioning their product line to Intel.

You're right, apart that IBM didn't give a stuff about Apple, they were peanuts, like you say compared to the console market.

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that's right, these procs are aimed to the servers market. Not for desktop use.
the price of these beauties would not allow any integration in a desktop machine.

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It's nice too see that IBM shows muscle

Dell is already selling and shipping gamer PC PIV @4.2Ghz**. While you already have non-labs* (i.e. retail) PIV over clocking to 5Ghz**. There’s quite a differences between actual delivered product against what’s in the labs.

**Useless in laptops.

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@Hammer

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Intel Xeon EMT64 can run OS and applications unchanged from 8086 era PC i.e. no mucking about with supervisor code compatibility and HAL. While Power/PowerPC camp applies cut-and-paste on their ISA and HAL e.g. 1. I can’t run Windows NT 4.0 PowerPC edition on newer “PowerPC” boxes. 2. 'Book E' vs non-'Book E' PowerPC supervisor code incompatibility. 3. VMX-128 Vs VMX-32 cut-and-paste i.e. VMX-128 is not completely compatible with VMX-32 due to some missing VMX-32 instructions. 4. PowerPC 750 FX vs Power 750 GX compatibility issues with earlier AOS4. 5. PowerPC 970 breaking compatibility with PowerPC 7447A in regards to little endian mode instruction (breaks commercial X86 emulators). 6. BlueGene’s DP FP SIMDs not compatible with mainstream POWER.

So the AmigaOS must be "rewritten" for every type of PPC? This meants that i can not plug another type of PPC as accelerator (in a hypotetical amiga classic like design) an run the existing install of the OS?Or could it be resolved as easy as in classic with a library like 68040.library and 68060.library?
I know that are differences in PPC´s (cell,power5,Xenon….) i know that the OS must be "rewritten" for use the full potential but i´m asking if the “base” OS could run uncharged

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@Hammer

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Dell is already selling and shipping gamer PC PIV @4.2Ghz**

Which is watercooled, are any of the Power servers cooled in this fashion? Or likely to be?

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While you already have non-labs* (i.e. retail) PIV over clocking to 5Ghz**.

Do you have a link to that? Most fanbots can only get 4.4GHz out of it.

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**Useless in laptops.

Redundant statement. I'll be astonished to find a 5ghz watercooled laptop.

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So the AmigaOS must be "rewritten" for every type of PPC?

Some parts must be rewritten, yes. Even right now the HAL supports many PPC processor types, which vary on the supervisor level. But it doesn't really matter, to tell you the truth. There are optional changes possible among the PPC implementations, but usually those have not too much to do with the application level. I rather find it useful that the actual impementations of the PPC processors could suit the need of the target market.

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Most fanbots can only get 4.4GHz out of it.

Could it be the 5GHz Project ?

//Edit: Also Pentium 4 gets overclocked to 5GHz...

Jerry

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Regardless of the differences of Power versus PowerPC, the technology advances will trickle down the slope. Notice that the PowerPC 970 derived from Power4, the PowerPC 980 to derive from Power5 (though not currently stamped on IBM's roadmap), so logically a derivative (aka PowerPC 990?) to Power6 is inevitable. Either way, the technology and innovation will flow throughout IBM's products.

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