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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : Boinged In Belgium - Amigarepair India - Belgian Amigaclub
   posted by Simon on 8-Mar-2006 14:59:46 (3729 reads)
Here in Belgium we still are alive ... a new website - a new logo - a new project and a request for a little help from you ...

And don't forget the Belgian Amigaclub meeting this saturday when you are in the neighbourhood !

www.boingedinbelgium.be

    

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Re: Boinged In Belgium - Amigarepair India - Belgian Amigacl
Posted on 8-Mar-2006 18:32:16
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I like the new logo, and very much the sentiment behind it.


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thanks

and for the people visiting Amik's site , in the bottomright corner there should appear "enter" ... I ask him to put it up a little more in sight.


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and for the people visiting Amik's site , in the bottomright corner there should appear "enter" ... I ask him to put it up a little more in sight.

Well, the best way to make it visible for Amigans would probably be to not let the whole f*ing site be a Shockwave movie.

Nothing to see here, move on ...

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I emailed him concerning that problem... but I am sure most of the people here have a computer with an up to date browser.


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@Niels

Well put me old mucker... I was going to turn my PC on to view the site, but then thought... nah, I can't be bothered so sorry guys you lost me


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me too.. :P


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I like the logo also.

I found a blank page when I clicked on the "India Amiga Repair".

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Well, for you guys not willing (or able) to display Flash content, you can use this url :)


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Direct link is on the way ... and guys . Do you really have to blame the world for not having a decent amigabrowser ?


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Direct link is on the way ... and guys . Do you really have to blame the world for not having a decent amigabrowser ?


This is nothing to do with amiga browsers, it's just plain bad design to use a
flash movie as an intro with no extra link. In fact links in flash movies are a
bad idea full stop, it what the html is for. You restrict accessabilty to only
those with flash and the abilty to see flash.


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oh please ...


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I fully agree with broadblues on that. If you design a website for an Amigaclub you should at least make sure that people using Amiga browsers can access that website. Otherwise it is just plain silly.
If you still insist on that Flash-content, you could at least make two options for entering the site.


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If you design a website for an Amigaclub you should at least make sure that people using Amiga browsers can access that website. Otherwise it is just plain silly.


There you have the problem. Are you going to use a lot of time to make it work on an Amiga browser or just use that time for something better and leave it like it is. Meaning it works with Firefox/IE on Linux/Windows. It's a lot of work making it work with Amiga browsers. But for each his own. I rather use that time working on products than on the site.

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I know what you're heading at (and yes, I agree that Amiga browsers are crappy by today's standards).
The more simple you make a website, the higher the possibility that it displays ok on Amiga browsers. What matters is the users you're targeting at. If it's a company website, it's quite natural to make it as nice and fancy looking as possible, integrating many interactive buttons and stupid animations that look really cool but make the website rather unusable in many cases.
If you have to design a website for Amiga users, I would make it as simple as possible, so that even the cavemen of us who are still happy with Amiga browsers are able to visit it. The more visitors, the better...


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hello people .... the www.boingedinbelgium.be page I made myself ... fully amigacompatibel I think... didn't test it myself .

The Amigarepair website is made by a man living in India ... the fastest Amiga he toucht is a 68000k A2000... now the "webmaster" is not out of town overthere ... no he is TO the town ... for a few days. For them this is a great accommplishment, they do not have the luxury of internet around every corner and almost free of cost like we do ... anyway they fix it as fast as they can.

And who said it's a website for an amigaclub ? can you read ? I just try to help these guys in India who do not have a clue what todays standards are for Amiga. If they would like to repair Commodore64 consoles overthere can they not use flash in their website because a commodore64 has no browser for it ? That's like telling writers they cannot write anymore because there is a minority who doesn't (want) to understand.

@polka The last posting is a funny one ... in the same posting you say this: "and yes, I agree that Amiga browsers are crappy by today's standards" and in the end :"us who are still happy with Amiga browsers" ... Nobody can be happy with todays Amigabrowsers ... Or the only up to date website you visit must be this one and a few others.

The Amigausers who are here now ( most of them ) are still here because they believe in the future . If this topic is readed by 200 users and only 2 complain because there is a flashanimation then I think those 2 don't justify putting time in "Amigabrowsingcompatibility" .


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That's like telling writers they cannot write anymore because there is a minority who doesn't (want) to understand.
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it's more like publishing a book for the poorly sighted, but using the smallest type.

i don't understand why you are getting so upset, the main site is exceptionaly well designed for viewing in an amiga browser (or any other).


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upset ?... I guess it's more or less the same feeling OS4-developers have when they did something good but get slaughtert by a few because a little detail isn't like it should.

There is great difference between: You should look to that problem and fix it. Or telling someone ( and the rest of the world when it's posted here)" Hey that site is mainly a f***ing flashanimation -you fool- we don't visit it" .

But I really do not care ... you can't do good for everyone... this shouldn't have been a browserdiscussion... Those are there already (too much) .


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I, for my part, tend to agree with Aminicle.

But what is sad with all this is that nowadays one can create a website which combine both up-to-date Internet technologies experience and oldskool browsers accessibility.
With a proper CSS2 design a carefully crafted javascript bits you can achieve it all for everyone's benefit.

As for the specific case of Flash animations, an alternate plain html link would indeed be preferable. Btw, it has always been the common case eversince Flash even exists.

But this is really no big deal. People shouldn't bash on each other for this.


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The last posting is a funny one ... in the same posting you say this: "and yes, I agree that Amiga browsers are crappy by today's standards" and in the end :"us who are still happy with Amiga browsers" .


I said "I would make it as simple as possible, so that even the cavemen of us who are still happy with Amiga browsers are able to visit it."

It helps if you read -and quote- the whole sentence.

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The Amigausers who are here now ( most of them ) are still here because they believe in the future .


Yes, but... even if you believe in the future (Amizilla?) you might still use your Amiga for browsing the internet. I can tell you, it's more than 2 of 200!


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the problem is that designing a site in Flash is really bad idea because it defeats the first goal of WEB : accessibility and scallability to any display device.
Flash should have been used only for agrementing the HTML (like images and sounds) not to replace it. HTML is easily translatable to adapt the context, flash is not (how a view unpaired can view the link in a flash movie whereas hardware exists to help them navigate in HTML pages (speech device, contrast controller, etc.)
That's bad but that's also how thnigs are nowadays and that's why people reinvent some new standard which shouldn't have been the case without those abuses (what is that f***ing WML is for ? HTML should have done the trick !)


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