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Software News   Software News : Prerelease 1 of the MUI clone Zune, for AfA_OS
   posted by jmbattle on 29-May-2006 4:22:03 (3409 reads)
Bernd Roesch has uploaded a pre-release version of Zune, backported from AROS, for AfA_OS.

Further information (in German) available at Amiga-News.de

Zune for AfA_OS @ Amiga-News.de
Zune for AfA_OS @ Amiga-News.de (Google Translation)
AfA_OS Homepage

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Re: Prerelease 1 of the MUI clone Zune, for AfA_OS
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The screenshot demonstrates the system monitor 'Scout', using MUI (top window) and Zune (bottom window) to render the GUI, the later adding extra icandy features such as gradient fills (also displayed).

Compatilibity with existing MUI applications certainly needs to be improved (the suggestion of copy-renaming the .mcc libraries to .zcc proved unsuccessful), with some programmes unable to open correctly, however I am confident that Bernd's tireless work will see these issues resolved in the near future.

It would be lovely to see updates to some key MUI libraries as a result of the Zune backport, or better still opening-up the source for public improvements.

On a related note, may I ask what is the standard file-requestor used by AROS? I have always rather liked the MUI-fied replacement MagicASL, however it would appear that reqtools.library is preferred. I note that author Flavio Stanchina is one of the key contributors to Zune; perhaps these developments may inspire him to update MagicWB further...

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Compatilibity with existing MUI applications certainly needs to be improved (the suggestion of copy-renaming the .mcc libraries to .zcc proved unsuccessful)


Some programs OpenLibrary() MUI custom classes to check their existance and version numbers.


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Re: Prerelease 1 of the MUI clone Zune, for AfA_OS
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I have tried Afa patched once in E-UAE, I removed AFA after some time, I don’t really need a update classic, what I need is 100% compatibility, but anyway I have noticed that AFA_OS uses blitz basic exe files, my experience whit E-UAE is that Blitz Basic exe files have a tendency to not work or produce problems.

One thing that annoys me about MUI is that there several incompatibilities between version numbers of some of the classes, and there is the case where you have to go around the net hunting for MUI classes, I hope this is not going to be the case whit Zune, Zune is going too be of little use to me unless it’s 100% compatible whit MUI, I do understand that it’s open source nature is going to make it popular when writing programs on AROS, and when porting to supported platforms. How about releasing Zune for Linux, that way some Linux developers will make there programs in it and make there source code easy to convert to AmigaOS


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Yes, I am inclined to agree with you about Bernd's insistance on using BlitzBasic - I wonder why he compiled an executable for the installer when a simple shell script would have been sufficient. Perhaps worse though is the reliance on wizard.library for the AfA_OS prefs/Zune Promoter - it is rather ironic; making the effort to backport Zune to classic 68k, and then using wizard.library (instead of MUI/Zune) to draw the interface!

On another note, when installing Zune I receive three pop-up problems:
- Wrong InfoText.mcc version
- Wrong NewString.mcc version
- Wrong NewString.mcc version

Any suggestions? I believe I have the most recent versions of these libraries, however will have a quick Google for any updates (yes, one of the pitfalls of module-based software...)

Finally, I am unable to configure bitmaps/images from the Zune prefs (a IMAGES: assign is requested, but not utilised).

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One question about Zune, do I need to run the full Afa_OS to use it, I like to try it on AmigaOS4

I even try compiling it maybe, I think to base my system on emulated 68k MUI classes, is not funny, and I think MUI is on the slow side compared to native reaction, so I will welcome Zune, as MUI replacement for AmigaOS (3.x/4.x) and AROS.

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My German isn't terribly good, however I believe Bernd mentioned on the Amiga-News.de article comments that, whilst the full AfA_OS is not necessarily required, other functionality added by the updated exec.library/graphics.library (such as alpha blending) was utilised by Zune, and is therefore useful (?).

This is under classic 68k AmigaOS however - I was not aware that AfA_OS was even functional under OS4.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

AFAIK MUI 3.9 for OS4 is PPC native from the beginning (at least for the public pre-release
The only parts that may still be 68k on MUI are Custom Classes, and if you still have some classes that are 68k then that's either because their authors does not want to make an OS4 updated version or authors have long disappeared from the Amiga scene and the source code is lost ((
For all other case you should be able to find a native version...


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How about releasing Zune for Linux, that way some Linux developers will make there programs in it and make there source code easy to convert to AmigaOS


Yeah!!And also AHI, Picasso96, Warp3D......and then we will have all the linux community working for us

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I was not aware that AfA_OS was even functional under OS4.


Only under E-UAE, butt Zone is a system friendly 68k program right.

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68k then that's either because their authors does not want to make an OS4 updated version or authors have long disappeared from the Amiga scene and the source code is lost


That is the problem whit close source, 3rd party dependents, thats way I think system components should come whit the OS, the next best thing is if they are open so some one can continue where some one stopped.


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Yes, but I believe the methodology behind AfA_OS and furthermore backporting AROS applications such as Zune, is to offer updates to classic 68k users, who have largely seen their favourite operating system remain updated for over a decade (and yes, this includes MUI).

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Zone is a system friendly 68k program right.


But Zune is an AROS version which uses AROS propietary extensions (e.g. the mentioned graphics.library of AfA).

But it's open source, isn't it? Why not simply port it to native OS4 (but then, what for if you have MUI native. Maybe for developers to write Zune/MUI apps for both).


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@Fransexy

AHI is not going to be easy to port to Linux, the problem is really the kernel and kernel modules, and user right, kernel modules are noting like .so libs for example,

Picasso'96 can be ported but it's not as flexible as SDL, so if some write some thing in SDL its tiny chance you do not need to think about endien, if you write it in P96 it's where likely your getting endien problems, if you where to recompile it on PPC.

Feelin has chance of being popular on Linux.

Warp3D has failed is replaced full OpenGL anyway

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Yeah!!And also AHI, Picasso96, Warp3D......and then we will have all the linux community working for us


It's called "AROS".


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Finally, I am unable to configure bitmaps/images from the Zune prefs (a IMAGES: assign is requested, but not utilised).


That was my experience as well -- I had hoped it was because I had an early version -- guess not.

It seems to find the images directory (after you've assigned it, of course!) -- but it doesn't "see" any of the images.

Looking at AROS, I'm not sure it works there either. Might be something that hasn't been finished yet.

Anyway -- I have a Zune image-set that I painted to match my imAZ theme. Just need Zune to support external images!

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Hi,

IMHO is AfA_OS pointed on WinUAE/Amithlon systems.
Even with an 060/66 and a zorro3 64bit GFX card [CV64-A4k],
with full use of the "icandy" futures the system going very slow responsive ..

It is only usefull with an fast x86 system and an JIT Emulator.
[on orginal "Amiga" speed ]

So i see no point for me ..
For users that dont upgrade to OS4 it is a nice "68k upgrade" ....

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That was my experience as well -- I had hoped it was because I had an early version -- guess not.


Than why don't you contact Bernd Roesch and submit a Bug Report ?



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