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Software News   Software News : Full Java SE software package to be open-source software by first half of 2007
   posted by elatour on 15-Aug-2006 15:15:53 (2628 reads)
Read more about Sun's latest announcement on open source here

Someone on the AOS4 team should be looking at this very seriously, whether doing it themselves or helping/supporting others in the development community do it, that is of course if they are serious about making their OS available for embedded systems.
    

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Re: Full Java SE software package to be open-source software
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Nice! I wonder whether it will be like the Amizilla porting effort though. It may be a bit too much to handle with the current plalform and lack of certain posix functions.

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wonder whether it will be like the Amizilla porting effort though. It may be a bit too much to handle with the current plalform and lack of certain posix functions.

This worries me also. However, I wonder if the JAmiga project team might benefit from it in that it might help kickstart their project by attracting development and other forms of support from the community in order to help make this happen sooner.


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the problem is not porting java itself but the gfx classes.. (as usual..)


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@elatour:
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Someone on the AOS4 team should be looking at this very seriously, [...] that is of course if they are serious about making their OS available for embedded systems.


For embedded systems one would consider using JNI or something like that, not SE.
Anyways: some more OpenSource software is always good news.

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the problem is not porting java itself but the gfx classes


I don't see such big problems in that, someone already made AWT work with kaffee, and in the end nost of the (important) things are based on that, like Swing 1.1 and such.


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made AWT work with kaffee


Well, where is it then? The gui stuff is/was the biggest problem. I saw some screenshots of minor AWT code running on JAmiga, but is it done now ?

Swing alone is not the problem. SWT would be nice, too, to get Eclipse running on the Amiga.


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Well, where is it then?


GeekGadgets, AFAIK. You'll need an X11 server.


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This announcement could be an attempt by Sun to (try to) stop people defecting from Java to C#, Ruby & probably other languages. Java has grown too big for it's own good, so rather than trying to fix problems with the language itself, it seems that they now have to do stunts like this instead. That's my guess anyway, and probably Stevey's Drunken Blog Rants would agree too. A couple of articles (or drunken rants if you want) which stand out:
http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/next-big-thing.html (most relevant)
http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/lisp-wins.html

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A rock solid JVM would be more beneficial for AmigaOSes than any other OS because a (pure) java program is guranteed to never do bad things with memory. So AOS won't have memory protection but the JVM will protect it's own program memory.

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You still have hopes for Amizilla and JAmiga? I stopped hoping long ago. They both seem dead or too slowly developed to be released in the next 5 years...

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A rock solid JVM would be more beneficial for AmigaOSes than any other OS because a (pure) java program is guranteed to never do bad things with memory. So AOS won't have memory protection but the JVM will protect it's own program memory.

You may be right but keep also in mind that Java is slow and Amigas are not the fastest computers.


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You may be right but keep also in mind that Java is slow and Amigas are not the fastest computers.


True enough for the classic systems, but I would imagine that it might be more acceptable on PPC based systems, specially if a JIT it also provided. I have seen many low powered embedded devices running Java code at quite acceptable speeds, so even on the lower end PPC systems, this should run reasonably well I would imagine.


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