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Software News   Software News : New Version of WinAros is available [updated, now with an install manual]
   posted by Heinz on 22-Aug-2006 22:26:19 (2576 reads)
WinAros offers a preinstalled HD Image with Aros.
WinAros is a way to use Aros under Windows.
With WinAros, AmiDevCpp Developer can quickly test their Applications.

This version uses QEMU to run Aros under Windows.




http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros.php

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros/WinAros_Light_QEMU.zip


Screenshot

----[Edit]----

I wrote a small Aros HD Installation Manual.

It explains step by step how to work around the bugs of the Aros Install Program.
There is a screenshot for every step, so everyone should be able to Install Aros on a Harddrive now.

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros/Aros_HD_Install_English.pdf

There is also a german version:

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros/Aros_HD_Installation.pdf





    

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Re: New Version of WinAros is available:
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How are binaries copied from the W$N side into the emulation?

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I use UltraISO and a empty ISO Image to transfer files to the Aros Side.

Just Edit the WinAros.bat, that it looks like this:

qemu.exe -L . -m 128 -hda WinArosHD.img -soundhw all -localtime -cdrom empty.iso

and use UltraISO (or a similar Program) to put your files into the "empty.ISO" file.
This file will be mounted as cd0: or cd1: in Aros.

http://www.ezbsystems.com/enindex.html

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Re: New Version of WinAros is available:
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If you are interested in a Aros HD install, then please have a look at this step by step HD-Installation Manual.
It's in German language, but every step is documented with a screenshot, so it may be helpful.

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros/Aros_HD_Installation.pdf

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Re: New Version of WinAros is available:
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Would one recommend AROS over Amithlon? Do you think that AROS community will grow bigger whereas Amithlon will shrink into extinction? I am just wondering. Thanks in advance. Oh one more thing, does one consider AROS a serious OS much like Linux, etc?

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That depends on what you can do whit AROS.

AROS basically needs every thing when it comes to applications; AROS is long way on becoming a windows, Linux or MacOSX replacement.

Linux, Widows as host environment for E-UAE / WinUAE gives me more the AROS can at this point.

Amithlon is becoming absolute when if AROS gets the same programs that Amithlon emulates, native on AROS, that depends on developers willingness to adapt there program to AROS at some point.


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I guess what triggered this news item, where the tread about porting QEMU to AmigaOS4, if that ever happens. AROS compiled for PPC running on QEMU under OS4 should work but I don’t know way one like to do that unless they are developers and think about supporting AROS in one way or the other.


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Weeellll... as soon we see good aros installer, we might hope for future of amiga. OS4 on non-existing, overpriced h/w!?!? No way man!

I hope it will come with integrated UAE; we can all see that MOS programs are now native compiled, not emulated. And the transition went pretty fast.

I want amiga on x86! Even apple goes x86, can anyone say they are stupid?


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Re: New Version of WinAros is available:
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@srbin

The Aros Installer isn't that bad.
Just take a look to this Manual (now in English)

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros/Aros_HD_Install_English.pdf

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hey, thx for english installer. I will probably give it a try!


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Quote:
Weeellll... as soon we see good aros installer, we might hope for future of amiga


I did install AROS back in 2000 on Linux and boot it, but from what I read about AROS there are not many things changed, I switched to AmigaOS4, I did not see future for AROS as a Windows replacement and I do not now.

A better installer do not change a thing…

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we can all see that MOS programs are now native compiled, not emulated. And the transition went pretty fast.


What Morph OS programs are compiled for AROS? Other then library’s?

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I want amiga on x86! Even apple goes x86, can anyone say they are stupid?


Maybe not stupid, how ever whit the resources available, it’s going to take for ever.

And as we all know there is no backwards compatibility on AROS, so you most port etch library’s that program requires, before you can port the application, that forces you to write tiny test programs to test etch and every module before you can use it, and that requires lots of information about the library’s in question and time spent on things other the porting the program you intended to port.

Whit AmigaOS4 you can port the program first and worry about the shared library some other time, single modules can be updated whit out thinking about dependencies, when a library is ported every 68k program can benefit from running the library native on the PPC whit out emulation, and if the program works fine under emulation there is no need to port it to PPC, the JIT compiler is that efficient.

If you have AROS running or AmigaOS4, then your only way to play whit old game is E-UAE


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I want amiga on x86! Even apple goes x86, can anyone say they are stupid?

I am stupid!


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Who said AROS aims to be a windows replacement? Aros is for those who like the amiga operating system. Maybe if more brains would get involved and port their stuff to aros it would pull Amigafans out of this hopeless situation.
Come on! This is the viable way forward. If you want to run AmigaOS 10 years from now, you´ve better support it.

That said I do wish OS4 success as well. I just cant see the path as clearly.

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I want amiga on x86! Even apple goes x86, can anyone say they are stupid?


I think intel should dump the x86 and use PPC instead.

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i might not explain what i meant;
MOS has its internal JIT emulator for 68xxx CPU's. And when MOS appeared, you were able to use your old 68k programs, under emulation. Soon, many new progs were both compiled for MOS and OS3.x, so there was no need to use 68k emulated s/w when you have native. This is what i say; if aros can be installed as second OS on my pc, and it has 68xxx or PPC emulation (still, there are a lot of ppc progs for amiga) integrated, many people would install it and s/w developers would make aros versions of their s/w.


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@srbin
Aros won't have a 68k Emulation in the near future.
It would be VERY difficult to implement because of the different endianess of 68k/PPC and x86.

But you can already run old apps when you use the E-UAE that comes with Aros and is pretty good.

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If it included an FTP server as default that shared the ram disk it would be easier to transfer files. ATM the only comfortable way to transfer files to AROS is using the linux hosted version


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@Heinz
If you have to use UAE to run old Amiga programs on AROS (as you do), then I might as well use UAE on Windows (oh golly, I am!).

Until/unless AROS allows running at least some 68k programs natively (even just interpreted emulation), there will be no interested in it from the remaining Amiga community, because it lacks most of the old programs that would make it an "Amiga" to them. Unfortunately :(

I agree there may be technical difficulties running 68k programs natively, such as endian issues, but I think that they could be overcome if the AROS developers were truely interested in it. Regarding the endian issue, it has been suggested that the x86 code should be compiled to use the Motorola endian mode - meaning bigger & slightly slower x86 code, but perhaps it would be worth it if it would make AROS a success? There have also been other suggestions, which might or might not work.

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Quote:

If you have to use UAE to run old Amiga programs on AROS (as you do), then I might as well use UAE on Windows (oh golly, I am!).


That's true, and it's refreshing rational

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Until/unless AROS allows running at least some 68k programs natively (even just interpreted emulation), there will be no interested in it from the remaining Amiga community, because it lacks most of the old programs that would make it an "Amiga" to them. Unfortunately :(


That's unfortunately right, but there are more Amiga Programs compiled for Aros out there , than most people realise.

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I agree there may be technical difficulties running 68k programs natively, such as endian issues, but I think that they could be overcome if the AROS developers were truely interested in it. Regarding the endian issue, it has been suggested that the x86 code should be compiled to use the Motorola endian mode - meaning bigger & slightly slower x86 code, but perhaps it would be worth it if it would make AROS a success? There have also been other suggestions, which might or might not work.


Theres was a very interesting thread at moobunny, where Bernd Meyer (Amithlon),
constituted a possible way to realise m68k Emulation (Big Endian) and native x86 OS and Applications (little Endian) living together.
But that would certainly be a huge and complex piece of Software Engineering.

Unfortunately, the only known Software Engineer, who could (easiely ?) accomplish this task seems to be fed up with anything Amiga related.

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