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The c64 became a useful homecomputer and of course so can the PS3.

The C64 was affordable, and has reasonable to impressive specifications compared to what else was available at the time.

The PS3 by comparison, does not offer the same bang for buck, nor specs, for _desktop computing_.
Putting Linux on it is a curiosity for hackers 'because they can,' not making it ready to take on a core2 Duo system with a faster gfx card than the PS3s and significantly more memory.

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@ Wegster

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The C64 was affordable

Back in 1982 the c64 costed 595 USD, taking into account inflation that would be more than 1200 USD today. You are way off here, the PS3 is way cheaper at launch and is selling far below actual costs.

@MikeB
While the rest of the 'competition' to the C64 was even higher than the $595. The C64 brought home computing into the affordable price range for those that wanted it. Obviously, since then, costs of computers have dropped (versus a $3000-$5000 IBM PC/AT/XT etc) while technology has moved on.

Inflation matters little, when you only present one half of the argument, and ignore the competing products and prices at the time. Sorry, you're way off here- try comparing apples to apples instead.

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@MikeB

And as you ignored the rest of the argument, trying to focus back on mileading price info for the C64 instead, I'll repost the response in full, in case you'd actually like to reply to any of the content there.

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The C64 was affordable, and has reasonable to impressive specifications compared to what else was available at the time. The PS3 by comparison, does not offer the same bang for buck, nor specs, for _desktop computing_. Putting Linux on it is a curiosity for hackers 'because they can,' not making it ready to take on a core2 Duo system with a faster gfx card than the PS3s and significantly more memory.

BTW Mike, I assume you realize while it's certainly OK to post things that certainly _seem_ to have fanboy tendencies, or to hold whatever opinion you'd like, I highly doubt these 'tactics' will help you gain any additional customers for your business. Giving opinions is fine, but misleading people on pricing or capabilities, or pretending something is the second coming, while enough data suggests otherwise, really isn't a great way to get a business started. But.. *shrug* that's your concern. Spamming and misinformation on AW is mine and the Staffs.

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From my POV the PS3 is quite expensive I don't see it replacing peoples PC's.

I have no doubt it will sell millions also because of the Blue-ray drive but I guess only a small percentage will use it as a computer.

That said I still think Hyperion should take a closer look as to what is needed to get an usable OS4 version ready for it (usable = not 100% optimised for CELL to begin with).

Could be the boost in sales we are looking for and would **guarantee us Amiga compatible hardware for quite some time.

I don't think we're ready for that market yet though. We need some webbrowser and office applications and plugins for the browser. Think that should be ready before OS4 is released to a wider audience.

**Unless Sony decides to become hostile against foreign OS's in the future.

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While the rest of the 'competition' to the C64 was even higher than the $595. The C64 brought home computing into the affordable price range for those that wanted it

- The TI-99/4A costed $525 at launch in 1981.

When the c64 was launched, they offered a $100 rebate and with this the price dropped to $200, February 1983 the price was $150 and in June 1983, a redesigned costed $99.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYUjFsucIr8&eurl=

- Sinclair of the UK - the Sinclair ZX-80 ($199) in 1980, and the Sinclair ZX-81 ($99) in 1981, combined easily sold over 500,000 units.

The Timex/Sinclair 1000 ($99) in 1982 sold more than that all by itself, and the new and improved Timex/Sinclair 1500 from 1983 sold for less than $80.

- TRS-80 Color Computer, costed $399 in 1980.

The TI was comparable to the C64, in both pricing and features, generally. The Sinclairs were not, nor was the VIC-20 before the C64. Apple II and PCs were significantly higher. Funny video, though

This does nothing, however, to support your argument of PS3 being a compelling DESKTOP SYSTEM. If you agree the TI-99/4A and C64 were roughly comparable, (sorry, don't recall TI's RAM offhand, though), then it came down generally to marketing, availability, and software, as the prices were similar, and I certainly remember TI reducing it's prices in a constant back and forth with the C64.

The PS3 by comparison, offers currently approximately 1.6Ghz G5 performance on it's PPE (although there is certainly more to be tested there...), and a severely limiting 256MB of RAM. The SPEs over time, will help a bit with it's lackluster PPE performance, yet you will still be stuck at a low-end system because of it's RAM, below the requirements for most people running a reasonable 'modern desktop OS' system such as OS X, Linux, or *ick* Windows. That leaves 'special builds or distros' or 'minimal OSes'- DSL, OS4, MOS, etc...and waiting for apps that do eat up the available RAM. It will likely run adequately, even when swapping, but that does not make for a compelling _replacement_ or daily normal use system, when it's priced at or above the cost of a PC with more RAM.

Again, STB or speciality use system, maybe. Desktop replacement system, not happening. Understand yet? Or, are you continuing to argue simply for the sake of arguing or advertising, instead?

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@ wegster

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f PS3 being a compelling DESKTOP SYSTEM.

I prefer the term "home computer". My point was that the c64 was launched at a higher price and did not introduce ordinary people to home computers all by itself (it however was the most successful over the years). It's most successful period was actually during a time the Amiga already existed. The c64 and Amiga lived happily next to eachother for many years, even sharing magazines and such till the early 90s.

My point being to be compelling you do not per se have to be the cheapest nor the most powerful at everything you do, it's a combination of many different factors. The c64 outperformed the much more powerful Amiga 500. With the PS3 I envision a home computer potentially more powerful than the Amiga 500 was for its time and one more widely supported and distributed than the c64.

PS3 prices will go down in course of time, just like the c64 and lowend Amigas did.