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Internet News   Internet News : Campaigners call for unlimited broadband
   posted by DaveyD on 11-Apr-2003 9:11:12 (2655 reads)
A lobby group has been launched in the UK to campaign for unlimited broadband access.

AntiCap UK has grown out of cable firm ntl's decision to limit the amount of downloads customers can make to one gigabyte per day.


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ruben 
Re: Campaigners call for unlimited broadband
Posted on 11-Apr-2003 13:26:04
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Here in Portugal the limit is one gigabyte per month and these guys are complaining??
I think I will start a revolution here...

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All because of the mindless morons who have been hosting websites of the back of their cable modems.
If you want a website use your 55mb freeweb space, but those who host websites have spoilt it for the rest of us.


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@jurassiccamper

Actually hosting a website doesn't effect the 1Gb per day limit. The thing with NTL and thier limit is a 1Gb DOWNLOAD per day. As a website only really sends data back to the internet, the only download is a small amount of data to tell the server which page to send back.

Plus, the 55meg that you are given only allows you to use HTML stuff, not advanced things like PHP and MySQL etc. So you can't make an interactive website.

And as I am using my Amiga to host my site, I really don't think that they would allow me to put that in thier server farm

The main reason, I think , that there is this one gig limit is because of all the people downloading games, movies and MP3 files. Basically pirates.


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Filesharing is the biggest problem for the isp`s at the moment, most people I know use progs like edonkey, kazaa, direct download etc.

On the other hand, they use the carrot of greater download speeds as a selling point so they really can`t complain that people are using it in this way.


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Here in Portugal the limit is one gigabyte per month


A gigabye per month??? How can you stand it -I could easily get that down my modem


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I use NTL and I think that 1GB a month is perfectly reasonable.

Of course, running my own business I appreciate these costs.

Maybe these people would like to pay for their own leased line into their house if they want unlimited downloads?

There are some issues ... the 1MB package should have a higher limit per day than the 600kbps package, which should have more than the 150kbps package. E.g., 50GB, 30GB, 10GB.

Maybe NTL could go for an unlimited, but pay-by-the-megabyte, package? Download 200GB, pay for 200GB. Download 1GB, pay for 1GB. Seems fair to me.

Bandwidth isn't free.

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Poster: Hattig Date: 2003/4/11 18:07:23

I use NTL and I think that 1GB a month is perfectly reasonable.

Of course, running my own business I appreciate these costs.

Maybe these people would like to pay for their own leased line into their house if they want unlimited downloads?

There are some issues ... the 1MB package should have a higher limit per day than the 600kbps package, which should have more than the 150kbps package. E.g., 50GB, 30GB, 10GB.

Maybe NTL could go for an unlimited, but pay-by-the-megabyte, package? Download 200GB, pay for 200GB. Download 1GB, pay for 1GB. Seems fair to me.

Bandwidth isn't free.


No bandwidth free.

But then no one is getting for free are they.

£35 per month from NTL for 1MB connection.

But if they advertise as unlimited then it should mean what it says.

Its clearly not now is it so the unlimited ad should be removed.

And thing are not so black & white.

as there are 2 issues.

1) how much you can down load per day/week/month

as you pay by the month.

As things are you only get to download things faster with the top NTL Cable package £35

You can not down load anymore per day/week/month than others on the 128k £15 package.

Your paying a premium for getting the same amount of download but only quicker.


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There are times when my bt adsl connection dont sound so bad.


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You just repeated what I said? I think.

Unlimited - depends on the definition. The main point of broadband for me is that it is always there, no dial-up required, and I can use the phone at the same time, and it is reasonably fast.

So you do have unlimited access time, but not unlimited downloads.

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Poster: Hattig Date: 2003/4/12 14:02:45

You just repeated what I said? I think.

Unlimited - depends on the definition. The main point of broadband for me is that it is always there, no dial-up required, and I can use the phone at the same time, and it is reasonably fast.

So you do have unlimited access time, but not unlimited downloads.


There is only one definition used by the telecos & internet firms.

broadband=broadband it dont need to be unlimited to be called broadband. it does not need to be always on to be called broadband. it dont need to be flat rate to be called broadband.

broadband means speed & nothing else. it just so happens that alot of other optiton have been offered at the time as broadband was available like flatrate,always on, ect..

My work place has Allways on 128k ISDN line unlimited download & that is not considered broadband.


i have unlimited access on my 56k modem there is no limit to how long i can use it & to how much i can download. unlimited is not a definition to always on or no dail is needed.


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Some of us in the UK don't have the luxury of broadband at all. I live in a rural area, though near to a few major towns/cities, and there's no cable, ADSL or similar. Best you can get is one of the hugely expensive satellite systems.

So, don't be so insensitive


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Broadband doesn't mean speed, speed is just a side effect of the technology.

128k ISDN is a narrowband product.

128k Cable/DSL is broadband because of the technology behind it.

Still there is the scientific meaning, and the common meaning which appears to be all about speed. But people expecting unlimited downloads because of it are not being reasonable at all. They are abusing the service for other people.

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What a bunch of whinging poms

In Australia we used to get an "unlimited" service, but now both the cable companies offer 3 GB per month for the average service, that's 100 Mb/day!! I can't even download a Linux ISO, unless I want to stop using the internet for 6 days - and they get 1 Gb/day?!?!? Geez some people have it too good. Besides, what are they generally going to do with more than 1 Gb/day? It's not hard to guess that they most vocal ones are probably a bunch of pirates. In fact I went into an IRC channel where some UK cable users were present, and all they mainly talked about was what games and movies they were downloading.


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Poster: Hattig Date: 2003/4/14 12:41:28

Broadband doesn't mean speed, speed is just a side effect of the technology.

128k ISDN is a narrowband product.

128k Cable/DSL is broadband because of the technology behind it.

Still there is the scientific meaning, and the common meaning which appears to be all about speed. But people expecting unlimited downloads because of it are not being reasonable at all. They are abusing the service for other people.


To begin with broadband was anything over 512 set by europe..
offtel changed that ruleling as the UK could not keep up with the rest of europe.

The argument is not over the definition of broadband. the argument is over advertiseing unlimited download & then telling ppl that they can not anymore thus the unlimited downloads adds have to be removed. the definition is clear.

But at least NTL dropped the price from £50 to £35 to reflect that.

Yahoo groups has a download limit & it clearly states so.

bandtwidth/=maxspeed that the connetion can handle.
boardband=highbandwith
modem=narrow

Limit=total amount of data allowed at anygiven time set by the providers. you can reach that limit quickly boardband or slowly modem.

BT was ordered by oftel to remove its unmlimited adds once it set a download cap.


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Poster: rossv Date: 2003/4/15 0:39:39

What a bunch of whinging poms

In Australia we used to get an "unlimited" service, but now both the cable companies offer 3 GB per month for the average service, that's 100 Mb/day!! I can't even download a Linux ISO, unless I want to stop using the internet for 6 days - and they get 1 Gb/day?!?!? Geez some people have it too good. Besides, what are they generally going to do with more than 1 Gb/day? It's not hard to guess that they most vocal ones are probably a bunch of pirates. In fact I went into an IRC channel where some UK cable users were present, and all they mainly talked about was what games and movies they were downloading.



If i pay £100 for 100KG of grain
but i only got sent 50KG for the £100 i payed saying your lucky cos some ppl cant get hold of 5K of grain dont make it ok.

in japan the avg is 7Mbit connetion while the uk is just about 1Mbit.

its not japan's fault why the UK is only at 1Mbit
It not the UK's fault why Australia as set its limits.

Telling ppl stop compaining & how lucky they are all the time is not alway the way, its not there fault most of the Time that you have not got it as good as them.
the goal is not to bring them down to your level but to bring you up to thier level.

Holding every one back to the lowest level just to be equal leads to no progress at all.


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I just wish thell let us have 6 gig for free. Hmmm nice!Hehehehehehehe!




 
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What you need to understand is that using the Internet *costs money*. Every byte you download from NTL costs them money. It is completely unrealistic to expect that an ISP can offer you unlimited downloads and bear the costs, ESPECIALLY when you start to completely abuse the system with massive widespread piracy, racking up gigs and gigs of downloads.

The whingers of NTL should realise that if they were to look beyond their borders to the rest of the world, no one typically has unlimited downloads for long, eventually all ISPs will change their pricing plan to something realistic. The only exception to this might be some areas of the US, where data transfer from the internet is very cheap (for obvious reasons), and the ISP bears it.

We used to have generous limits here, but abuse by certain individuals put an end to that. I don't really blame the ISP for it, and at least NTL dropped the price (unlike ours which raised the price slightly).

My point to all this - is that the unrealistic campaign is a waste of time and the campaigners need to get a life, literally.


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@Rossv, I agree.




 
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What you need to understand is that using the Internet *costs money*. Every byte you download from NTL costs them money. It is completely unrealistic to expect that an ISP can offer you unlimited downloads and bear the costs, ESPECIALLY when you start to completely abuse the system with massive widespread piracy, racking up gigs and gigs of downloads.


I agree thats why an ISP should not claim that they can offer unlimited, if in fact they can not.

widespread piracy, racking up gigs and gigs of downloads as nothing to do with it.


You can down load just as much legal stuff as well. one linux distro would max out past the limit.

Pay per view movie would max out past the limit.

listen to 2 & a half hours of high qualtiy radio & bing maxed out the limit.

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he whingers of NTL should realise that if they were to look beyond their borders to the rest of the world, no one typically has unlimited downloads for long, eventually all ISPs will change their pricing plan to something realistic. The only exception to this might be some areas of the US, where data transfer from the internet is very cheap (for obvious reasons), and the ISP bears it.


Well they should have a tariff that would cover the cost.

Once again its not about ppl asking for umlinited it about faulse advertising that NTL could offer.

If NTL did not say they could in the first place there would be no moaing.
Its NTL's fualt for making unrealistic claims that they can offer what others around the world cant.

Abuse= useing in a way it was not ment to be used.

Unless guidelines stateting the useage to what your paying does not state that you can not download at max rate 24/7 then its not being adused & anyways its easy to terminate ppl who do aduse it.

Like running a website on the NTL line.

If NTL want to cap then fine but it must then remove unlimited adverts or that would be against the law.


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