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Software News   Software News : TeamAROS Bounty #49 Open Source Browser Has Been Assigned
   posted by fishy_fis on 11-Nov-2007 17:19:27 (2590 reads)
TeamAROS has assigned Robert N. to the Open source browser bounty
His work will be based on WebKit
Rob's blog can also be found here
    

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Legion 
Re: TeamAROS Bounty #49 Open Source Browser Has Been Assigne
Posted on 12-Nov-2007 1:30:54
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Dear Community:

Please donate GENEROUSLY. Thanks.


@Robert N:

You're doing the Lord's work, brother, and I don't even believe in God. Thanks in advance for your efforts.


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Amazing,
You're a tough guy Rob !

Go Aros Go !


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@Legion

just donated 20$


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I am an OS4 user but an Amigan first. All such developments should be encouraged in our megre community. Just donated $50US.

Cheers
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Re: TeamAROS Bounty #49 Open Source Browser Has Been Assigne
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I was reading the author's blog, and I ran into this:

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Recently AROS has obtained a new installer, but its still hamstrung by the fact that we don’t really have a proper filesystem to install AROS onto. We currently have three filesystem options:

AFS: This is our current default filesystem. Its an implementation of the Amiga Fast File System. Our implementation is buggy and frequently trashes the disk. Even if it did work well, it would suck is it just wasn’t designed for the massive disks we have these days.
SFS: The so-called Smart File System. We have a port of the open-source release that was made a few years ago. It works well enough, and actually performs and scales nicely if you can get it set up. It still has a few bugs, isn’t really maintained, and most significantly, GRUB has no support for it, so we can’t currently boot from it, meaning that a minimal AFS boot partition is needed, with all that that entails.
FAT: The newcomer :) Although noone has done it yet, it should be possible to boot from it. Its stable, and GRUB has support for it. Its two failings are that it has no support for Amiga-specific file attributs (eg script and pure) and it doesn’t scale well to massive disks.

So, what to do? We can fix the bugs and stablise the filesystems.

(...)

I propose taking ext2/ext3(/ext4). Literally taking it - ripping it from the Linux kernel and porting it.

Yikes! hopefully either one of the filesystems will be debugged or the ext[2-4] port will be done soon, because a filesystem that corrupts data makes the whole OS a whole lot less desirable. I still remember losing days' worth of work back in the 90s to DriveSpace. Backups from the previous night aren't much consolation when you've got to redo the whole day's worth of work again... is there a filesystem bounty? I'd rather donate to that.

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@CodeSmith

Your comments are fair enough, and yes, it is an important aspect that needs to be addressed, but its not as bad as it may sound. While its not possible to boot from a sfs disc under aros it is possible to just install the boot files on an affs partition (for conversations sake "dh_boot:")and have it then boot AROS from a SFS disc ("dh0:"). This way, not only will you get a faster, better, less buggy filesystem for your OS, but the system as a whole is much less prone to corrupt, and if it does its not a big issue,... just reinstall dh_boot: files and things are back to normal. While Im sure Rob is accurate is saying SFS has a few bugs it has yet to give me any problems, and its probably fair to say that Im one of the heaviest native AROS users so far. I guess another thing to consider as well is that this bounty is beneficial to all amiga like oses, being open source, and an amiga based system.

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Gee, this and a World of Warcraft client and I wouldn't need a PC or Mac...

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I am an OS4 user but an Amigan first. All such developments should be encouraged in our megre community. Just donated $50US

Ditto!

TrevorDick


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Re: TeamAROS Bounty #49 Open Source Browser Has Been Assigne
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@CodeSmith

Good idea. But even better, what about the ultimate open-source filesystem, ZFS?

It's already running on Solaris, FreeBSD and OS X and I think the CDDL is compatible with the AROS Public License.

I'd be happy to start a bounty for that if any AROS devs think it's at all feasible.

Chris


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Re: TeamAROS Bounty #49 Open Source Browser Has Been Assigne
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I don't know if anyone noticed, but EvilRich took up the UAE Integration bounty. Classic Amiga apps running transparently in AROS, anyone? The deadline isn't till mid-2008, but very exciting nonetheless.

I'm keeping everything crossed and transmitting positive vibes to Robert and Richard...

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This is awsome news! The momentum behind AROS from the development front has been gathering up some serious steam over the past few months and shows no signs of slowing down any time soon. Let's give this brave soul a few words of encouragement and some moolah for those of us for which this is possible and help make this dream a reality! For my part, in addition to adding to the E-UAE bounty on my next pay coming in the next few days, I will now also pledge to add to this bounty as well which I see as another critical factor in making this platform even more viable.

I can only hope that this helps encourage more developers and users alike, whether classic, MOS, AOS4 or for other platforms, to finally see the light and join this most noble of causes - to finally bring the Amiga OS to the masses, free it from it's hardware - and corporate - shackles and take it into the future. For those of you that are more commercially minded - I don't see why this open source endeavour could not become the underpinning for many possible commercial projects in the future, much like many other open source projects like Linux, MySQL, Apache, XEN, etc. By helping this OS become more viable sooner, one contributes to making its commecial uses a possibility much sooner.

Last edited by elatour on 12-Nov-2007 at 03:58 PM.
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Quote:
I don't know if anyone noticed, but EvilRich took up the UAE Integration bounty. Classic Amiga apps running transparently in AROS, anyone?


E-UAE integration + modern web browser = salvation. We'd finally have a real continuation of the platform at long last.


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@Legion

Oh yeah. AROS will be undeniably in the lead when that happens, and I'll most probably "switch" from OS4 if the court case is still unresolved at the time.

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Quote:
I was reading the author's blog, and I ran into this:
Quote:

Recently AROS has obtained a new installer, but its still hamstrung by the fact that we don’t really have a proper filesystem to install AROS onto. We currently have three filesystem options:

AFS: This is our current default filesystem. Its an implementation of the Amiga Fast File System. Our implementation is buggy and frequently trashes the disk. Even if it did work well, it would suck is it just wasn’t designed for the massive disks we have these days.
SFS: The so-called Smart File System. We have a port of the open-source release that was made a few years ago. It works well enough, and actually performs and scales nicely if you can get it set up. It still has a few bugs, isn’t really maintained, and most significantly, GRUB has no support for it, so we can’t currently boot from it, meaning that a minimal AFS boot partition is needed, with all that that entails.
FAT: The newcomer :) Although noone has done it yet, it should be possible to boot from it. Its stable, and GRUB has support for it. Its two failings are that it has no support for Amiga-specific file attributs (eg script and pure) and it doesn’t scale well to massive disks.

So, what to do? We can fix the bugs and stablise the filesystems.

(...)

I propose taking ext2/ext3(/ext4). Literally taking it - ripping it from the Linux kernel and porting it.

Yikes! hopefully either one of the filesystems will be debugged or the ext[2-4] port will be done soon, because a filesystem that corrupts data makes the whole OS a whole lot less desirable. I still remember losing days' worth of work back in the 90s to DriveSpace. Backups from the previous night aren't much consolation when you've got to redo the whole day's worth of work again... is there a filesystem bounty? I'd rather donate to that.


Looking at that rundown, SFS is the one we should back.

Please note that GRUB 2 supports SFS:
http://grub.enbug.org/CurrentStatus
It's still WIP, but the SFS file system support seems to be working already.

If we're looking at changing the file system, we should consider PFS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_File_System

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Good idea. But even better, what about the ultimate open-source filesystem, ZFS?


That sounds awesome. A very strong choice.

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