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Software News   Software News : OWB 1.10 Released
   posted by Raffaele on 16-Feb-2008 12:09:09 (6456 reads)
Our beloved Joerg Strohmayer is as fast as lightning, and has released another version (1.10) of Origyn Web Browser:





New Features and bugfixes:

Quote:

1.10 (16.2.2008)

- Added tooltypes for the window size (WIDTH and HEIGHT). The sizes are for the web view, not the complete window.

- Stop gadget is disabled now after loading a page is completed.

- The 4th and 5th mouse buttons are used for back/forward now.

- Added tooltip support (displayed in the progress bar as well).

- Changed some font engine parameters, the fonts look better now IMHO.

- Added support for a fallback font (tooltype UNICODEFONT, default Bitstream Cyberbit) which is used for missing glyphs in the normal fonts.

- Disabled all stdio output if OWB is started from workbench.

- Changed the network settings to the normal values again (at most 5 connections instead of the 25 used in previous versions which may be rejected by some sites). On most pages it's fast enough now, but since especially on large pages with lots of images without sizes, for example most forums, the rerendering of the pages after each completed (image) load still slowed it down a *lot* I changed it to only (re)render the pages after everything was loaded, or every 5 seconds. Although it makes loading most pages much faster, it can cause way too long delays on interactive sites loading additional data like http://maps.google.com/ instead. Since that's only the case on a few sites I guess it's better that way, and when/if OWB gets much faster the 5 seconds can be decreased.

- Back/forward gadgets are disabled now while loading, and if there is nothing in the history to go to.

- Updated to SVN revision 239 (BMP image decoder added).


You can find the new release on Joergs website here.
    

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Framiga 
Re: OWB 1.10 Released
Posted on 16-Feb-2008 14:08:54
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very nice improvement! it runs nicely even on classic. (after installing the right fonts)

Congratulation to All involved!

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take backup of 1.9, 1.10 gives me yellow gurus

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RTFM!

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hmm... loads much faster for me, but it throws lots of recoverable alerts and DSIs now (A1, July Update) Besides that, it still gives hangs when accessing gmx.de (not all pictures are loaded, still hangs for pictures loaded from other sites).

But I think it is on a good way with faster loading and the font changes made

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you have some missing fonts.

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What, if the required fonts are installed completely? If the optional font missing throws the alerts and DSIs, it shouldn't be optional... btw. it would be a good style to give the corresponding error message then instead of throwing alerts and DSIs, I would think.

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whatt about take a look at the docs? OR on a site where the authors are giving suggestions?

like here

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@framiga:

You missed the point... I have installed all required fonts already, hence I followed the readme to the extend. If a font declared optional throws alerts and DSIs, it is clearly not optional, hence the FM is simply wrong. I intend to told Joerg, that it isn't a good style to release a program which don't give appropriate error messages and requires components declared optional to function properly.

I didn't write it to fuss Joerg's work, I did it to make his work better.

So, it should be told to all potential users that they should install all the fonts mentioned in the readme in order to use OWB without alerts and DSIs.

BTW., it is even worse style to pretend that users with a clean installation have messed it up and tell about it on one site only so users with problems have to search for the solution on many different sites. If the July Update installation isn't clean at all, autors should mention what exactly isn't clean with these installations, as documentation of e.g. July Update is lacking many points still. I installed OS4 cleanly and used the supplied installer scripts for it. After that, I didn't mess with fonts at all, how should I mess up my fonts installation then?

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"BTW., it is even worse style to pretend that users with a clean installation have messed it up and tell about it on one site only so users with problem have to search for the solution on many different sites."

this is known as "amigaland" didn't you know?

What are you pretending from an more or less alpha app?

Joerg explained on amigans.et (which btw is the site that gives me the worse problem with OWB) that a reinstall of the required fonts (not ALL the system fonts) is required to achieve a DSI free installation.

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the yellow gurus disapred after useing typemanager to install the common fonts.
(Arial and verdana fonts.)

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@Framiga:

Quote:
"BTW., it is even worse style to pretend that users with a clean installation have messed it up and tell about it on one site only so users with problem have to search for the solution on many different sites."

this is known as "amigaland" didn't you know?


I know it. But is that the reason not to speak about the fact that this is more than bad behaviour? If I release a program and tell the users: Well, you have to search for the information on your problem yourself, try site a, b or maybe c and you may eventually get the right answer (maybe not), I am right and users have to search on their own for a problem they simply cannot know about? I bet you would tell me much different things than "good work whose" then.

Btw., I have messed up my fonts installation with the (optional) corefonts archive now (all families set right etc.), on some sites all goes well, on other sites it still throws alerts and DSI and I have to install even more fonts than the system installation provides (e.g. Arial). That is not "RTFM", that is plain wrong manual. I don't expect miracles, but I would love to see a good manual and senseful development. Is that expected too much?

It is very nice of joerg to develop OWB further and I appreciate that very much. But it is of no sense, if he frustrates his users and people interested in OS4 with wrong manuals, makes false assumptions of documentation the users posses and scatters needed information around the internet only for the sake of version number inflation.

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What are you pretending from an more or less alpha app?


I require it to work better than the previous version, not worse. Yet it works not as good as the previous version, it works somehow different, but not very usable at all (some DSIs are not ignorable at all). I think that doesn't deserve an increased version number, that's all.

Regards

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sorry but i don't agree! if it works "worse than the previous one" is for you.

As i said this is the first version useable EVEN on classic (above all memory wise).

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@Framiga:

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sorry but i don't agree! if it works "worse than the previous one" is for you.


Yeah, that's the right spirit... let user "average joe" alone in the dark, tell him he's a bummer if the manual states "optional" instead of "required" and then worry about this user leaving the platform.

What is so hard about telling to the users the right font setup in the readme?

What is so hard about telling there how to achieve the right setup, as not all users can know about it, because the system's documentation lacks these points and standard installation may be faulty or missing vital parts?

What is so bad about users telling that the manual/readme is not sufficient for proper (and hence fun) operation?

Did anybody think about, that, for a real useable browser developed with sense and the user in mind, people would like to pay much money? I would, but not if I have to expect some piece of software working for specific (and non-standard) installations only, that I'm not in possesion of.

[irony]
Btw., 1.9 does run very well on OS4 Classic, if you don't plug in 128MB of RAM, it is your problem...[/irony]

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Lovely

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Works much better under os4 classic, but still freeze the pointer / system after some pages. I miss an installer who install all the needed fonts...

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@ shastar

Quote:
Lovely


Just Lovely is right!

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@fingus:

Install at least the Arial font family (copy it from your Windows system), as this font family is badly needed for proper function (I have installed it once again, using the font files from my Windows system this time and had no Alerts/DSIs/freezes so far) using the type manager. Do not install the corefonts from the archive there, if you don't have the TTF font files available for all the .otag files in this archive (most of them are not freely available). This will mess it up, e.g. links not working and such.

Regards

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Thanks for all the updates.

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Here, I finally got it working, but text doesn't show(!!!). I isntalled the core fonts, as sugested. No Grim Reaper, just "invisible" text.

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Some positive things now:

After solving the fonts issue, it runs much better now. No hangs for gmx.de and gimy.de and loading is much faster. Good work, Joerg! But, please update the readme regarding the fonts issue.

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