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Hardware News   Hardware News : NatAmi!!
   posted by VooDoo on 5-Aug-2008 11:38:15 (7226 reads)
NatAmi board prototype now being manufactured

Thomas has finished the hardware-design! We now have to wait for the 1st board getting produced, which will hopefully be before our announced deadline "end of summer 2008"!
 
What to expect when the PCB is there? At this point Thomas will start the bring up. We surely can and will bring many more news and pictures!
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Kicko 
Re: NatAmi!!
Posted on 5-Aug-2008 12:07:42
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Cool. (pole:)

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Will be a great machine if they pull this off.


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COOL

/me want /me want /me want


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Manu 
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Well done !
It will be interesting to see what will become of this.


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Great!

I knew they would do it, I hope it's as good, if not better than it sounds, I might get one and install OS3.9 on it!

Oh I forgot that I am busy designing a case for it!


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Very cool!
Can't wait to see it working!


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From what I have read it should be able to boot Amiga OS in 1 second!

Consumer version:

Amiga on a chip
Amiga compatible hardware
Run original AmigaOS and Amiga applications
Play old and new Amiga games
Truecolor 24bit gfx and 16bit audio
Size between a big USB key and iphone

Nice!


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Now Kickstart replacemts are more important than ever :) with it we could get rid of Amiga inc.

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Well done. NatAmi is a very interesting system for the people that hadn't an Amiga 4000, but the great question, I hope that the board will be manufacture in big number of units and its price will be good and interesting.


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@Templario,

Unfortunaty the first run of boards that will use the 060 processor and will be the "developer" board, as far as I can remember they will only be available in limited numbers and costs are projected to be about the same as for an AmigaOne (costs are high due to the small board run and the cost of the 060 and the FPGA's)

I do wish though that it could be cheaper and that the team do do a large enough run of boards so that non-developers can get hold of one just for everyday use.

I dont expect them to do anything more than a few hundred at most though and I hope I am lucky enough to be able to afford/get hold of one to replace my 1200


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Wow...
Amazing...
I will buy one developer version for sure.


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An exciting development... an amazing feat really... well done to Thomas and the team. I will be eager to see how things progress and hopefully get one of these when appropriate.

I hope The Daddy can make a really smart looking case for the machine too...

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Congratulations!


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That's awesome news. I can't wait to get the later version containing the ColdFire CPU with all the Amiga custom chips, networking and Super AGA integrated right into the CPU. It is essentially an Amiga-on-a-Chip. Intel and AMD are working on similar products or System-on--a-Chip products (SOC). This essentially will bring Amiga hardware into the 21st century.

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Hi,

There is no mention of USB or Ethernet in the HW-specification. I guess we have to use the 2 PCI's for these?

Thanx,
Firbodi


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@ferrels 

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can't wait to get the later version containing the ColdFire CPU


Following evaluation and discussions on compatability, it was decided to by the Natami team build a new 68k compatable chip into the FPGA.

The chip dubbed N68070 should offer more speed and better compatablity than an 68060.

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@Rob

That custom 68070 chip being designed by the Natami team is a ColdFire core with the additional logic of the Amiga custom chipset including SuperAGA embedded into the design. The Natami 68070 designation is not to be confused with the successor to the 68060......completely different CPU but both are still 68K backward compatible.

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Great news ! Go on, keep good work!


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@ferrels

From the Natami FAQ page.

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Is the Natami team still evaluating the ColdFire CPU or don't you expect any performance gains by using a V5-core?



The 400 MHz ColdFire V5 is certainly a very powerful CPU.
To be able to get the ColdFire we would need to "bake" chips.
Baking chips is not a target that we can reach without help as require a major investment.


If we "bake" our own chip we would of course have to option to bake our own 68K_CPU desing.


If we bake our own "softcore" into a chip then we could as reach very high clockrates. Our softcore would then provide better compatibility than the ColdFire.

The ColdFire is 68k compatible, but to get maximum performance out of the ColdFire for AmigaOS, some patching of Kickstart and Workbench will be mandatory.
By going for our own N68070 design we will save any patching and time.

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Correct. By not using Coldfire, the NatAmi team will be avoiding the risk of Freescale deciding that they're too small a customer and cutting them off (the V5 Coldfires NatAmi would be using would have to be customised by Freescale, because of the way V5 Coldfire is marketed, so there's no off-the shelf alternative).

Another advantage is that the NatAmi team will also have full control over the CPU's design, so they can expand the instruction set to include things like SIMD (cf MMX, AltiVec) and techniques used in other CPUs to optimize branching, etc. All this while remaining 100% M68K compatible, as opposed to the route Coldfire took.

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