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Software News   Software News : Windows-hosted AROS
   posted by deadwood on 3-Mar-2009 19:15:17 (2978 reads)
Pavel Fedin published a first beta build of his Windows-hosted port of AROS. A Windows-hosted port is an executable which brings you AROS experience under Windows without need of any virtual machine.

The package can be downloaded from AROS Downloads.

If you are interested in technical details, please the follow thread on Aros-exec.

The bounty for Windows-hosted AROS is still open for donations: Bounty page :)
    

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ferrels 
Re: Windows-hosted AROS
Posted on 3-Mar-2009 23:09:11
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Wow, it boots blazing fast! Under 1 second! It doesn't include any demo goodies or OWB for AROS though. I suppose you gotta get those on your own.

For those too lazy to read the thread, booting is accomplished by opening a command prompt and changing directories to the AROS folder. Then type: boot\arosbootstrap.exe

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Small modification and it works...
Its very fast even on a P4 3Ghz...

The system is bare bones, so you have to install everything. I would prefer another build with all the juicy software, including OWB.


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Re: Windows-hosted AROS
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Sorry to disappoint you, there is no network driver, yet. So OWB will not be of much use until someone develops such a driver.

ciao

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Re: Windows-hosted AROS
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Works great on vista64...verry fast... is there any load time at all...

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Re: Windows-hosted AROS
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Wow, it boots blazing fast! Under 1 second! It doesn't include any demo goodies or OWB for AROS though

It is quite simple to use vmwaros (and al its pre-configured software) under hosted!!

Extract vmwaros-pc-i386.iso somewhere

extract aros_hosted to a different (temp) dir

copy aros_hosted/AROS.boot to aros_vmw/
copy aros_hosted/boot/* to aros_vmw/boot/
copy aros_hosted/libs/* to aros_vmw/libs/ (easiest just to overwrite them all, might not be best way!!)

boot it up!

then edit s:user-startup,
comment out this line so you have..
;assign system: sys:

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Re: Windows-hosted AROS
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@Deadwood :

You still working on that game?

How is that going?

@Remainder of thread

Sorry but, we dont need another amiga emulator.

But we need 98/xp emulatorfor amiga os4, Whine perhaps?

And a semi modern mac emulator for Os4.x

Cheers

Edited whole thin, out of respect to the coders, even if I believe they wasted time on this that could have been spent on AROS stand alone version instead.

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Re: Windows-hosted AROS
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@Gebrochen

I think Windows hosted is excellent for Amiga enthusiasts that want to check AROS out.
When they feel like it they can start to run it native. It serves the same purpose as VmwAROS VE. But wihout the need to install vmwPlayer. Which I personally think is no hassle at all, but anyway.

Maybe also you could attract more coders to AROS when they see how easily they
can get started, they need to download 1 file, extract it, click the -bat file and viola
3 seconds later AROS is up and running an off coding you go. Then no hassle either to move files between
the two worlds.

Most of the AROS users runs it natively and can test your builds so you don't need to even
have a AROS capable PC to develope.

This was clearly a great step forwad fot AROS. The more it's out there, the better !

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Re: Windows-hosted AROS
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I hope that eventually there will be a Windows hosted version of VmwAros.


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Re: Windows-hosted AROS
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I think theres some potential in getting more apps to AROS and therefore to all Amiga like OS.
If someone wants to develop a cool application, he can develop it for AROS.
He wont sell much of it for AROS, but there nothing stopping him, to release it with aros-hosted with a modified startup-sequence that starts the program directly without wanderer.

With a good Setup Program for windows, that makes all links for start menu and desktop, most users wont even notice the application is not windows native.

And a Linux release would be as easy.

In fact AROS could act as some kind of compatability layer between Linux and Windows.

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@Manu

That is a fair explanation.

@ All

Can anyone please tell me if we can run windows programs under emulation, and by windows programs, things that are for 98 or xp orientated??

Naturally the limit of games will be in accordance to the 667mhz 512ddr ram etc. But thats ok, atleast I could play a RPG like Morrowing, elder scrolls 3.

ALSO

Can anyone point me into a direction where to download a Windows emulator for the Amiga, that will allow me to use games like Morrowind, Dark reign 2, warhammer, etc, etc.

AND

What about a MAc emulator, anyone know what the latest is here?

Because If I can get a semi new mac os emulator for my amiga, I might be able to emulate the mac on my sam440ep, and ontop of the mac emulator, emulate the program whine to play those Windows games?

Cheers.


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great, cpu performance and filesystem performance on my system is better as vmware AROS run in windows

thinks i notice but its of course a first beta.

It use always 100% CPU load, so on a single CPU all other as AROS is slow down.
the timers work not correct, i do whetstone bench, program output 12 sec dureation , but hand stopped time is 16 sec.

>When they feel like it they can start to run it native.

Wy should run amiga OS native ?
in the current state many programs are miss and only a few amiga programs that make more fun to use are used on amiga.

and for this its enough to use a virtual machine.

same do MAC users too, they start windows in a box to use programs they miss.

also JAVA can run native, but nobody boot for this programs a native OS.but developers like in JAVA coding so they do it and most users can use JAVA programs.

and with a fast AROS hostet on windows and Linux, it is easy to use a amiga program.

if developer think they can force with a native system, users to use more amiga programs is maybe true.

But on other side many users dont want a native system that lacks so many apps as amiga OS.

so i think a hostet system get more users as a native Amiga System.

But if programmers not code good software for amiga system, then of course only the old 68k soft is here.

when programmers code good software for amiga then i think the time come, that amiga OS can work native without need of other programs.

But before amiga programmers need code software.but if they dont do...

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@bernd_afa

No offence, but are you living in the dark ages??

firstly, there are four other mainstream and MORE HEARD of Amiga Emulators out there.

Secondly and foremost ; Amiga OS4.1 is awesome, and it has become my daily perating system for home useage, replacing my windows xp shet box totally.

So yeah, I think one can use Amiga for almost everything one needs in a basic to intermediate form
Its actually when One wishes to emulate windows XP or emulate a mac of 98 onwards, that seems to be the problem for most of us amiga users.

Just my 2 cents worth after reading you last sentences.


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>So yeah, I think one can use Amiga for almost everything one needs in a basic to >intermediate form

if you dont need much software or games sure, but there are not much users that are happy with this.or in short, since 4 years OS4 there are not much OS4 users and very few OS4 Soft that is not available on other systems.

>Its actually when One wishes to emulate windows XP or emulate a mac of 98 >onwards, that seems to be the problem for most of us amiga users.

thats a problem, because amiga Hardware is not very powerful, windows and mac X need much CPU power.

But if you want run windows soft, solution is easy, you can use amiga hostet.
Because amiga HW PPC is not very powerful, there is no software out that need much speed and also a winuae run this software faster than enough.

And if a AROS run in fullscreen there is not seen that windows run, speed is fast as amiga because the fats speed come from the thin amiga OS.

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@Gebrochená

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Sorry but, we dont need another amiga emulator.


What emulator? I thought this was talking about AROS?

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But we need 98/xp emulatorfor amiga os4, Whine perhaps?


No thanks, I'm mot in the mood for more of your complaining.

It's called. WINE, another Linux acronym, Wine Is Not an Emulator. Having said that, it won't work as it emulates the API (Application Program Interface) of Windows, and runs natively on the host CPU. That is an x86. So you need to emulate an x86 before you can even run it which defeats the whole point of it in the first place.

You could try the Amiga program PC-Task and run an emulator on an emulator. Hehe. What a paradox. It actually works. Don't know if 98 worked on it but I'm still installing '95. I can pause the PC just by quiting.

Try these:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=emulation/computer/dosbox.lha
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple

Might need some set up though.

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And a semi modern mac emulator for Os4.x


Working on it. Think someone else was as well.

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What about a MAc emulator, anyone know what the latest is here?


Best bet is Mac On Linux. Using PPC Linux on the Sam.

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Because If I can get a semi new mac os emulator for my amiga, I might be able to emulate the mac on my sam440ep, and ontop of the mac emulator, emulate the program whine to play those Windows games?


Only if you emulate an Intel Mac.

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