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Announcement   Announcement : AmiZilla FAQ now Online
   posted by DiscreetFX on 22-May-2003 19:29:27 (2222 reads)
A FAQ has been compiled regarding the effort started by DiscreetFX to stimulate the porting of Mozilla to AmigaOS.

The money pot has already increased to 3610 USD.

Update: AmiZilla got a mention on the famous mozillazine.org
    

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Re: AmiZilla FAQ now Online
Posted on 22-May-2003 22:38:38
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3043 USD!!!!!

GREAT!!!!!


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Posted on 23-May-2003 2:02:24
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I only have one thing to say.

Forget that 3.9 30 mhz crap.

Make it for OS4 and on, make it very clean, and make it very fast.

Leave the freakin' past behind, and let's move on to better things.

Forget blizzard accelerators and all the rest, for goodness sakes.

AmigaOne and OS4!!!

I'm ready for the REAL DEAL.

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Re: AmiZilla FAQ now Online
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AMEN!

 
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Posted on 23-May-2003 10:41:38
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C'mon guys!!! Spedd up the work! I'm very exited!

Ps: MMyst, why not 2 version, one for OS4 and 1 for 3.9/MorphOS?


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Re: AmiZilla FAQ now Online
Posted on 23-May-2003 14:36:50
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I agree the "works on OS3.9" criterion should be dropped. It
helps this platform little to hold onto the old in this way - and
more inportantly, having to support the classic Amiga systems
might very well slow down the overall Mozilla development.
Support the 'modern' systems like AOS4 and MOS and be
happy if it comes that far.

Does anyone know if any programmers have been tempted by
this yet? Is the race already on?
.
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Kay 
Re: AmiZilla FAQ now Online
Posted on 23-May-2003 15:00:48
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I agree with Mountain_Myst on this one. Emphasis should be on OS4 and the AmigaOne. A 68K version would have the added advantage of working with emulators and MOS as well, but I don't think that it would be worth spending a lot of resources on. Emulators are a dead end in the long run, and MOS is an entirely different (and competing) OS.

Kay

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Re: AmiZilla FAQ now Online
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@Kay
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Emulators are a dead end in the long run, and MOS is an entirely different (and competing) OS.

So if I understand correctly, MOS must not be supported as it is competing OS?
Even if there are people like me willing to support the project financially if the project takes off?

FFS man, can't you see anything positive when it comes to MOS/Genesi? Who knows, maybe Genesi is even willing to help by donating funds. If there are one sided people in this world, one of those would be you my friend.

 
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reflect 
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Posted on 23-May-2003 16:19:48
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You guys are forgetting one thing, and that is the ColdFire accelerators.. not doing a 68K version wouldn't be very nice. I think the project is already crippled since Amiga Inc stated that they have chosen their path and that is named PPC. There will be no full distributions of OS4 for the Coldfire..

And if there will be no full version of mozilla for 68k.. well..
I for one support the 68k version, but I strongly think that the thing to concentrate on is PPC native versions and then, later on, if there's demand for it.. a 68k version.

That's my 2 cents, anyway..


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Posted on 23-May-2003 16:44:52
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> So if I understand correctly, MOS must not be supported as it is competing OS?

You do not understand correctly. I said it should not be a *priority* for the AmiZilla project, just like I don't think emulators should be a priority.

> Even if there are people like me willing to support the project financially if the project takes off?

I don't really care either way.

> FFS man, can't you see anything positive when it comes to MOS/Genesi? Who knows, maybe Genesi is
> even willing to help by donating funds. If there are one sided people in this world, one of those would be
> you my friend.

Don't FFS me. No, I don't see anything particularly positive about MOS/Pegasos. Nor do I see anything very negative (if I don't consider BBRV's behaviour). I do not care at ALL for a port of Mozilla to MorphOS, just like I don't care at all about a port of Mozilla to TOS, to RiscOS, or indeed, any other OS I am not using or considering to use. I don't see Atari or Acorn people jumping at my throat for that reason.

Anyway, I thought the point of the AmiZilla project was to port Mozilla to the *Amiga*. I did indeed list MorphOS compatibility as an advantage (which you would have noticed if you had actually tried to comprehend my post). I don't think it should be a priority, though (ie. if it slows down development significantly I don't think it should be done). I think I am entitled to that opinion without you jumping at me.

Get this through your scull: I support AmigaOS. I don't really care about MorphOS. I want what is best for AmigaOS. That's all. I don't OWE MorphOS or Pegasos my support.

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Posted on 23-May-2003 17:51:42
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I think developing for OS 4 isn't going to happen till OS 4 is out? Is that controversial?

last i checked...yesterday, Robin was doing
some project management and moving
things along with the main effort.

I am working on the project too, but I am
prolly not going to work with the main team,
other than to share whatever code I might
be working on, if they find it useful.

my impression was, that most of them are keen
on supporting as much amiga's as possible.
I personally don't care about that, but
I am targetting Amiga Forever and real amiga's....
and for obvious reasons...I can code for
that platform, but I don't own an AmigaONE.

So far, the discussion group has not suggested
targetting only AmigaONE's, because I do not believe
that many of them have AmigaONE's and OS 4,
maybe as more amigaone
owners join in, the consensus will change.

the other thing is, os 4 isn't going to buy a lot, as far
as porting mozilla. I mean it doesn't give us pthreads
or a gtk...a lot of the issues specific to porting mozilla
will have to be addressed regardless.
I think the main team wants to write clean code
so you could recompile on OS 4, and obviously
it will run faster on a faster machine.

my effort is somewhat different, thats why I'm
branching off on my own, but it would support
a later version of OS 4.x to be sure...prolly not 4.0.

(if it works)...I don't suggest I am the world's greatest
coder, but don't knock my efforts, at least I am
coding more and talking less

See ya's

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Posted on 23-May-2003 18:28:55
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Sure would be nice if those who, after this AmiZilla announcement, decided to give it a go.. just as you did right now. So that those who contributed to the project actually sees that - yes, indeed.. it is movement in the coder ranks.

This was the first sign I saw personally, and I was a little afraid that perhaps no one was interested :)


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@Kay
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Anyway, I thought the point of the AmiZilla project was to port Mozilla to the *Amiga*.


Well its not. Live with the fact.

 
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> Well its not. Live with the fact.

What the hell's the matter, Hooligan? If porting Mozilla to the Amiga and the MOS platforms is the aim of the project, I of course have no smegging problem with that. What do you expect, that I will go into a fit of rage because another platform is getting some software? Stop treating me like I was some kind of moron. I honestly thought that the aim was to get it running on the Amiga, nothing more.

I don't care about MOS, and there is no reason I have to. I support whatever I want to support. MOS is currently not something I want to support.

"Live with the fact."

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I think this project needs help from ANYONE it can get, whether that be from MorphOS-port developer or a MOS-supporter donating one buck. A project sized like this, porting something of level like this, even I who trust and respect Amiga-developers ability to get things done, find it very difficult that it will (never?) mature as planned.

As I think we are all on the same boat, I hate the way you think: "I don't give a f*ck about the others, aslong everything will be ok for me."
Of course you can support whatever you want. Just makes me wonder if I or any other one thinking like me should do a #### for the project if everybody's are thinking like you.

Generalising maybe? I know. Perhaps people should be a bit more openminded towards others instead of being onesided bitchers.

 
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> I think this project needs help from ANYONE it can get, whether that be from MorphOS-port developer or a
> MOS-supporter donating one buck. A project sized like this, porting something of level like this, even I who trust
> and respect Amiga-developers ability to get things done, find it very difficult that it will (never?) mature as
> planned.

Now, Hooligan, THAT was a point. Keep it up.

> As I think we are all on the same boat, I hate the way you think: "I don't give a f*ck about the others,
> aslong everything will be ok for me."

I think you are very unfair. I care for the entire Amiga platform, and those using it. I care for those in need, and donate to charity every month. I help people who have technical problems. And quite a bit more. I care a lot for others. But I can't care for every bl**dy thing in the world, now can I? I can't support every company and every platform. What was once the Amiga platform has split, and I have chosen between the two resulting platfoms (I can't afford both a Pegasos and an AmigaOne, and I wouldn't want to have two products with pretty much the same function anyway). I am simply supporting my platform of choice. If the guys at the top get their respective acts together and bring everything together again, I will applaud it. Doesn't look like that's happening now though. Too bad. For all of us.

> Of course you can support whatever you want. Just makes me wonder if I or any other one thinking like
> me should do a #### for the project if everybody's are thinking like you.

Thinking like me? What do you want from me, then? To say that I want a MOS port, when I really don't care either way?

Anyway, don't worry. It is very rare that everybody thinks like me, and I have no control over this project anyway.

> Generalising maybe? I know. Perhaps people should be a bit more openminded towards others instead of
> being onesided bitchers.

Well, I was not the one who started bitching. I simply said that I didn't think a 68k version should be a priority (mentioning emulator and MOS compatibility as advantages of a 68k version), and that the main aim should be the next-generation of Amigas. Then *you* started bitching, apparently because you're insulted by the fact that I don't care about a MOS version.

One-sided? Sure, if the subject was Amiga vs. MOS (which it isn't, but hypothetically speaking), I would be supporting just one of those sides. So shoot me.

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Posted on 24-May-2003 4:45:12
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AmigaOne and OS4.

Everything else fades into the background.

Germany likes to build overpriced accelerators and hardware add ons.

There were so many freakin add ons with the 1200, there was no where else to put anything.

Freakin rediculous!

Not to mention all the stability problems because ot all the bloat.
The 1200 became a burden to me, more than anything else.

I was glad when my 1200 motherboard blew.

Now we have a chance to leave all the bloat and all the CRAP behind.

All the emulators and all the 2nd grade OS's.
All the H&P's, all the Ryan's, and all the Elbox's.
All the hacks, and all the dupes.

It's time to clean Amiga Up once and for all.
It's time to get a serious buisness started so that Amiga won't continue to look like FOOLS!

So that the Amiga community can let thier voice be heard around the world once again.

End it all now!

Bring OS4 out and let it rule!!!

And NO!!!

I am not interested in running BeOS, Linux, Aros, or any other OS on my Amiga.
I don't care about yesterday anymore.

I want to, for once in my life, see a tommorow for Amiga.

And tomorrow is not found in all the bloat.
It's found in a very, very stable and future proof OS.

Hopefully that will be OS4.

Bring it on Baby!!!

And for a second thought...
Amiga needs a next generation browser in order to succeed.
This is not found in any.. I said any of the present day Amiga browsers.

We need a freakin browser, and we need it yesterday!

We also need a buisness suite.

These are not luxuries,
These are neccesities.

Must have them now, and not later.

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Posted on 24-May-2003 10:23:20
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@Kay
>Thinking like me? What do you want from me, then? To say that I want a MOS port, when I really don't care either way?

That would be me typing nonsense.. of course I meant "you" instead of "me" .. reading before pressing GO-button sucks

Sorry heh

@Mountain Myst
Hey Aros is starting to look very interesting, never say never :) BeOS.. well I couldnt agree more..couldn't find much interest in it when I last installed it.

 
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