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Software News   Software News : Quake II Update released
   posted by marko on 20-May-2010 22:44:58 (3919 reads)
Brussels, Belgium - May 20th, 2010

Hyperion Entertainment is pleased to announce the immediate availability for download of a substantially reworked AmigaOS 4.x version of Quake II (tm) courtesy of Peter Gordon. The file is available in our download section. Note that you must have registered Quake II in order to download the file.

http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
    

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Re: Quake II Update released
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Well done Peter.

Not sure who you are but the more OS4 dedicated software the better.

Now we just need the odd bit of modern gaming software.


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Sounds good as I will finally be able to install the hyperion port on my sam440 as I could not get the old 68k install to work under OS4.1.


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@Dwyloc

Installed it in E-UAE, and copied the files to OS4 i think.

or maybe I installed it on a PC, and copied the files from there.
It was many years a go, so can't member how I did it.

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i think it was q1 and not q2. or maby q2 is made to 680x0 but as fare as i remember it is only ppc

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Hmm, I cant install it under OS4 Classic. It says it needs intuition.library 53, but AFAIR the latest Version is 52.11. It should work for OS4 Classic though, shouldn't it? Or is it 4.1 only?

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Sorry the news item didn't make it clearer, this port can only work with OS4.1 because it uses shared objects instead of the old "DLL" hack. It also uses MiniGL 2.x features, and I don't know if that works on OS4.0 anyway.


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Can someone please compare this to Capehill's port? How is it better/worse?

(edit: It doesn't sound like it provides anything that Capehill's port does not, and seems it has sound issue which I hadn't noticed in Capehill's port.)

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Hmm, shame. The biggest Problem IMHO was the missing MiniGL support.

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>Hmm, shame. The biggest Problem IMHO was the missing MiniGL support.

maybe they fix OS4, so all old Hyperion games can work well, so no work must put in all games to get it running on OS4.there was told, clean written programs from classic should work on OS4.

Thats really strange, Hyperion the Porter of quake 2 and warp3d with all the original sources and developer of OS4 is not able to run their games on OS4 on same Hardware or newer Hardware.On MOS the old games work, but MOS Team need more work do, no warp3d source, no quake2 source, no warpup source

BTW: can somebody compare the speed between this port and MOS on same machine.maybe there is a advantage to have a native OS4.

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maybe they fix OS4, so all old Hyperion games can work well, so no work must put in all games to get it running on OS4.there was told, clean written programs from classic should work on OS4.

SIGH. I really wish you would get your facts straight, before speculating. They have already EXPLAINED why Hyperion's ancient game ports don't work on OS4. The problem is not OS4, the problem is the game ports were nasty HACKS to make them run at semi-reasonable speed on Classic machines.

I'm sure they could make those old games work on OS4, but do we really want lots of nasty hacks added to OS4, just so it supports some old games, or would we rather they spent their time actually improving the OS for future stuff? I know you love to look backwards (hence your love of OS3.x), so you probably won't understand this, and instead come up with some more ridiculous complaints as usual.

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BTW: can somebody compare the speed between this port and MOS on same machine.maybe there is a advantage to have a native OS4.

You already know the outcome, so I don't know why you bother asking: OS4's 3D performance is (currently) worse, so it seems doubtful it will outperfom MOS.

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>SIGH. I really wish you would get your facts straight, before speculating. They have >already EXPLAINED why Hyperion's ancient game ports don't work on OS4. The >problem is not OS4, the problem is the game ports were nasty HACKS to make >them run at semi-reasonable speed on Classic machines.

I only know on wikipedia, that quake 2 source Hyperion use after they decide to do OS4.so i thought they know what can work on OS4 and keep in mind to get it easy working on OS4 too.

""""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_II
The full source code to Quake II version 3.19 was released under the terms of the GPL on December 21, 2001. Version 3.21 followed later.

.......

In 2002, Hyperion Entertainment used the GPL sources to port the game to the Amiga 68k and PowerPC platforms.
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but i dont know the exact release date of quake 2 from Hyperion.it was also not free for amiga.maybe somebody can correct wikipedia

that Hyperion do nasty tricks to get warp3d fast, i also not know, because the warp3d and mediator driver update reassemble for 68k speedup all a lot.

>You already know the outcome, so I don't know why you bother asking: OS4's 3D >performance is (currently) worse, so it seems doubtful it will outperfom MOS.

I dont know, maybe its possible that warpup emu slowdown MOS and so it can work faster on OS4 quake without warpup.maybe its worth a test

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All:

Quake II seems to work well on my Sam flex. I couldn't ever get the previous version to work on my AmigaOne- SE. I haven't been able to get the joystick to work with it, though. Is this possible, or do I get used to using the mouse?

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What is Capehills port?
Great news that there is an update except for the fact that I've been wanting to purchase a copy of QuakeII for my SamFlex for some time with no success but Amigakit told me that they are making inquiries.


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Sooo... someone has to say this:

1) Why are Hyperion charging for it, and can they? (Answer is most likely yes for the binaries).
2) Don't they have to release the source code since they made changes? AFAIK they did previously.

I'd like these sources :)

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@bernd_afa Quote:
but i dont know ... that Hyperion do nasty tricks to get warp3d fast, i also not know, because the warp3d and mediator driver update reassemble for 68k speedup all a lot.

I never said anything like that. It would not make any sense anyway - I thought you were a coder, so I don't understand how you could make such an obvious mistake.

What I said was that the old GAME ports had nasty hacks to make them fast.

@MickJT Quote:
Sooo... someone has to say this:

1) Why are Hyperion charging for it, and can they? (Answer is most likely yes for the binaries).

ID software still charge for Quake 1/2/3 on the PC. Open source does NOT mean free (to buy). Anyone can charge anything for open source stuff. PLUS Quake contains lots of data files which are NOT covered by the open source license, so you are paying for those. That's why someone created OpenArena (totally free Quake port that does not need Quake's data files).

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2) Don't they have to release the source code since they made changes? AFAIK they did previously.

The source code is made available as the GPL requires (even if not as common sense would dictate). I'm sure that bernd_afa can get really angry & personally offended about this...

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@JayCee Quote:
What is Capehills port?

http://capehill.kapsi.fi/

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Great news that there is an update except for the fact that I've been wanting to purchase a copy of QuakeII for my SamFlex for some time with no success but Amigakit told me that they are making inquiries.

While I hate to loose AmigaKit a potential sale: Using Capehill's Quake 2 & 3 ports, you don't need to buy an Amiga-specific version of Quake, the PC version will do, although installation may be "interesting" (install on the PC, then transfer the data files to your Amiga, etc).


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