Very nice thank you ! :)

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Yes cool..but ..

What is with:
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Now we are working on the OS4 native USB 2.0 drivers for the Sirion USB stack. They will be included in the next SPIDER update.

This is from may 2008. Are you finish that?

Shark PPC ???
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Availability: Q1 2007* (*) Production of SharkPPC cards will start as soon as the final version of AmigaOS4.0 for A1 is released.

Dragon Coldfire???
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On 11 November 2006 we had presentation of DRAGON 1200 at Amizaduszki meeting in Krakow.

Polishing drivers is great but you dont deliver real things hardware and software for Spider!

Call when some of this thing be done!

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Forget SharkPPC and also forget Dragon Coldfire. Simple.

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Just got mail about this info. It was ages ago i used classic and still registered :) Anyway nice too hear folks get the update :)

I got the email too. I purchased the the new 5v Radeon 256MB card and got it up and running in my A4000 system this month. It is working great.

Here'sgrab of my 1920x1080 Workbench through the DVI output. All in all, it is a great upgrade and the extra 224MB of Fast RAM is an added benefit too:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2.jpg

An Indivision takes care of my native screen modes and with the Indivision using the VGA connection and the Radeon using the DVI connection then I don't need a switcher box for the monitor. All I have to do it press a button on the monitor to toggle between active screens or else the monitor switches by itself if only the RTG or Native screen is active on its own.

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@DJS

It must be about 10 years since the Mediator first launched.

Thanks for this Elbox, it's good to know that you are still working on Amiga stuff, even if it has to be an "on the side" job these days. Elbox have always made fantastic Amiga hardware in my opinion.

I'd love to hear what's happening with Shark PPC these days as well. I still maintain that I would buy one if it were available and it ran OS4. Such a system may even help convince Hyperion to release OS4.1 for the classic machines.

I understand that classics aren't the future for Amiga computing, I'm fully on board with that opinion, but I just enjoy expanding my classic Amiga computer. The SharkPPC would be a fantastic addition to that!

I haven't registered my Mediator actually. I bought it about 6 months ago. Will have to get that sorted now!

AH.

Yes I forget that but they forgot to erase from theirwebsite...teasing and misinforming people and costumers and potencial buyers.. Evan whwn some of Amigans see this minor changes on drivers and visiting their site they hope and have some misionformation...
Dragon Coldfire and SharkPPC are flame to bay pricy Radeon 9000 5v to an to get minor performance step and to sell rest of the Mediators... Then they ad some drivers update and thats it..

To be clear I dont underestimate their hardware and suport for that...
I underestimate the way to sell it with false marketing and vapor products and drivers for Spider and mpeg2 etc.. way to comunicate with Amiga sites...and avoiding to answer simple cuestions and make some intervews with Amiga sites to inform community about plans for future...

And for the end this thougts are from few years ago...

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@ Comi

I'd hardly call a Mediator/Radeon/FastRAM combo "pricy" compared to purchasing a new Cybervision/Picasso with a 256MB ZorRAM.

I do agree that it is definately time to remove the Dragon and Shark references as it is pretty obvious by now that neither of these items are likely to see the light of day. I keep looking at that damn configuration jumper on my Mediator and thinking "if only..."

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Yes its not if you compare those two... But if you look at this prices of graphic card on their site: http://eu-shop.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?show=7PC&sort=id&sid=432ae26a
"Special" Radeon with adapter bla bla 85 ¤ !!!...
Thats what I think is that PCI slot is OPEN for every card not for special with couple time bigger price
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=+Mobility+Radeon+9200%2F256MB+5V+PCI+card+&x=19&y=22
40$ is about 35 ¤ so it means taht their switcer/adapter special card add on, is worth more then a card!!!
50 ¤ for "special" x 1000 users= 50000 ¤
Nice money..
Include Mediators , Spiders, Fast ATA an rest of add ons from them and it is good result (for year) for couple of polished drivers... I bet that there is cople of thosand Mediator owners- so calculate ...

They are not good players any more, sqeezing last money from community, with false hardware, making hope...

But who want and have money for this..... its personal choice..and thogts- these are mine.

One apology with some kind of exuse and removing from site false products is big step in right direction!.. but its not going to happen.

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Hello,

Lots of links are broken on the original announce post........

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BTW, what you have done for the amiga today ????

-A1200+Mediator+VooDoo3+060/50+96mo+SCSI-KIT
-SAM440EP-667mhz-on MapowerKC3000+AOS4.1

Amiga Docs Disks Preservation Project

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Yes its not if you compare those two... But if you look at this prices of graphic card on their site: http://eu-shop.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?show=7PC&sort=id&sid=432ae26a "Special" Radeon with adapter bla bla 85 ¤ !!!... Thats what I think is that PCI slot is OPEN for every card not for special with couple time bigger price http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=+Mobility+Radeon+9200%2F256MB+5V+PCI+card+&x=19&y=22 40$ is about 35 ¤ so it means taht their switcer/adapter special card add on, is worth more then a card!!! 50 ¤ for "special" x 1000 users= 50000 ¤ Nice money..

Ah, but that's not exactly apples with apples though, is it?

When Elbox sell you that Radeon then they're the ones that have to help you get it to work with your system. In other words you're also paying for service and support.

When I installed my Radeon I made a real dog's dinner of it and ran into all sorts of problems. Elbox sent me a bunch of emails to help troubleshoot my issues and as a result I got it going. Now, if I'd emailed Amazon.com and said "hey guys, I can't get your Radeon card to work with my Mediator on my Amiga 4000, can you help" then guess what the answer would be.

We're a small market, so don't expect discounts. It cost me a lot of money to add 2MB of extra RAM to my Minimig and that 50,000 Euros of "nice money" probably doesn't pay for 6 months of one employee's salary.

Besides, all Amiga owners are loaded with cash. Just look at the prices people are willing to pay for "sold as is, no returns" PPC cards that "worked last time I tested it 5 years ago, honest".

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Amazon don't write Amiga drivers either.

Do you think that Elbox have more then 10 people (including their other activities)?
One or two men work on shining up drivers every year and thats it, month or two in the year.
I am glad that you have nice support from them, ....hey they sell you card with their adapter for 85 euros, couple of mails is not a big problem.
When you compare that 50000 euros with 40000 $ mentioned in Hyperion Amiga proces in proces of developing the OS then you will see diference.

Problem with Elbox is vapor hardware, media manipulation and bad communication with Amiga sites.
Becouse if they come out and announce something then trick with shining up couple of drivers will stop to work in the way that bring them money.

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Ooo, I must get that upgrade CD and feed my A1200 tower with Mediator 1200 LT4 and Radeon 9250.

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org

@Comi

1.
You are misinformed. We do not sell any special adapter for the Radeon gfx cards.

We have developed the Radeon card drivers. They are available free of charge for each registered Mediator user. Even if someone bought his Mediator ten years ago.

In Mediator 1200 TX and SX models supplied by the ATX power supply you can use any version of the Radeon gfx card from 9000/9200/9250 series. We do our best to make our drivers supporting each of them.

For other Mediator models you need the Radeon card, which does not requires +3.3V rail on the PCI bus. You are not forced to purchase it from us. You can take it from any other place in the world where they are available. As the Radeon cards, which do not require 3.3V are very rare we offer this kind of cards in our online store. The Radeon 9200 with 256MB of 128-bit memory and with DVI & VGA outputs costs here $85,00 (or 85,00 EUR with VAT here). These Radeon cards from our online stores are tested and guaranteed (by us) to work in any model of the Mediator busboard.

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You are also misinformed that we "sell the rest of the Mediators". From over five or six years we do not have more our Amiga products on stock than for 2 - 3 weeks of sales. The assembling of any necessary products is made every two weeks. Unfortunately we cannot guaranty that it will be always possible as purchasing components for +5V environment (like Amiga motherboards) each year becomes harder and harder.

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You complain about our prices: "it means taht their switcer/adapter special card add on, is worth more then a [Radeon] card!!!"-

Firstly - it is not true. 5V-only Radeon cards in the PC stores are usually more expansive than 5V-only Radeon cards in our online stores.

Secondly - I have not seen that you complain about the prices of the memory card for Zorro III offered as alternative to the memory of the Radeon cards in the Mediator-based systems. Such Zorro III card with 256MB of memory are offered for over twice higher price than we offer the 5V-only Radeon gfx card with 256MB of memory. Double standards?

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@Mrodfr

I know that some links in the announcement are broken, but I have not access to edit option.

The "special offer" in the announcement was linked to our announcement and the discussion about Mediator + Radeon with 256MB offer on Amiga.org, here. You will find there a discussion about Zorro memory performances and about prices.

Other links are added below:
If you are interested in the new updated MediatorSDK, contact ELBOX Developer Department. Information on the current versions is available in the DOWNLOADS | Mediator section.

Yes I do not compalin about other products except R adeon offer.. I think that Mediator board is nice hardware for expanding Amiga.
In the way of expanding memory your Radeon 256MB offer is OK, but I look it in other way... Someone do not have Mediator and have Zorro, and want to expand mem....., so its not big diference in price if you look in that way..
For prices chek links.
Its ok for me if you still producing mediators and apdating drivers for them, evan it is minor.

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I know that some links in the announcement are broken, but I have not access to edit option.

Are you think that this is excuse or maybe some kind of news that we have to svallow by the way?

1. 10 years or more of SharkPPC?

2. 6 years of Dragon Coldfire?

3. 2 years of Sirion drivers for Spider?

Who have access to edit option to email him by my self?

Couple of years people try to contact you and have interwiev with you like with any hardware company, but stil there is no answer.

Who is in charge to do the answers ?

My opinion about your company will change when I get answers for your products above and future plans or when you remove your false marketing products and annoncments from your site and do the real apology, or evan better explanation for not deliverng that.

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@Comi

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but I look it in other way... Someone do not have Mediator and have Zorro, and want to expand mem....., so its not big diference in price if you look in that way..

If someone do not have Mediator and want to expand memory he can purchase Mediator with Radeon 9200 with 256 MB of memory for $255.95 (without VAT) or 255.95 EUR (with VAT included).

For this price he will have the fastest in 2D Amiga graphic card with DVI and analogue outputs, with 256MB of SDRAM (which can be used as a full-featured Zorro III memory) and a few additional PCI slots, where he can add for example PCI FastEthernet and sound card for a small fraction of prices of Zorro ethernet and sound cards.

This price for Mediator with Radeon with 256MB is really not much higher than the price of the Zorro III memory only (which costs 185.99 EUR for 256MB). Don't you agree with that?

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