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Software News   Software News : IceFileSystem 2.0 released for MorphOS
   posted by Returner on 24-Sep-2010 10:29:55 (3355 reads)
IceFileSystem 2.0 released for MorphOS

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Changes:

2.0 (2010-September-22)

Changed the way entry lookup is made, because of a serious
bug in hashing routine. Tool is included to turn old partition
into new format. (Other/Fix200, make sure partition is correct
first by using IceCheck with debug option.) So, I repeat:
*Partition format has changed* slightly but enough to break
creating/renaming/deleting files. This decision was not easy
to make, but needed. The DOS type has been incremented, it is
now 0x49434502.

Bug in renaming of entries (affected .recycled for example) fixed.

Bug introduced in 1.15wip that caused instability fixed.

A few bugs fixed in file writing and changing of file size.

Having both .recycledir and .logfile active had a bug, fixed.

Hardlinks fixed again.

New command "ShowLinks" included.

FSFormat: No more need to double click entry if just one partition
is to be formatted. Various GUI fixes. subvalidate.library updated.

When giving volume name (rather than partition name) to IceCheck/IceSalv,
filesystem was never released properly, fixed.

Improved IceSalv to be more tolerant to errors on partition.

Nasty MaxTransfer bug introduced in version 1.14 fixed.
(Value was interpreted as signed so the default maxtransfer value of
hdconfig would result in negative read/write lengths, but a value
beginning with 0x7 would work !)

IceFS now makes sure no requesters are put up the first 5 seconds
of execution, but waits if needed until this time has passed.
It seems MorphOS crashes if requesters are put up too early.

Bug introduced in 1.15 where filling partition could break it. Fixed.

Renaming a filename with more than 36 chars into another one, was broke, fixed.

Other smaller fixes/improvements.

1.15 (2010-September-XX, never publically released)

Overwriting files with MODE_NEWFILE was broken if .recycledir was activated,
old file was moved but new file never created (action returned error though).

Cachelines are now aligned regardless of reserved blocks areas size.

Unmount command did not work with IceFS, fixed.

Doslist related dead-lock fixed.

Optimised journalling. Speed increase especially when writing sequential files.

Filesize and numblocks where non-zero for directories, fixed.

    

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Re: IceFileSystem 2.0 released for MorphOS
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Checked main page, the feature list and requirements - looks like pretty professional work, and while keyfile cost 10 euro, maybe it will be not the bad think to ask for aos4 version ? Of cource it will be a bit (or not a bit) different, but because mos and aos4 have almost the same logic of HDD splitting, the same RDB it should be pretty possible to have it on boch oses. For example for now, i can see on os4 all the SFS partitions from morphos, and can see all the FFS partitions from aos4 on morphos, will be cool to have new filesystem which works on boch oses.


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Good work!

I hope all old bugs are now fixed - without introduction of new ones.

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Checked main page, the feature list and requirements - looks like pretty professional work, and while keyfile cost 10 euro, maybe it will be not the bad think to ask for aos4 version ?


I don't use OS4 and isn't OS4 supposed to have JXFS anyway ? :)


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Indeed, I'm wondering why every time something gets out for MorphOS or AmigaOS4, someone comes and asks : "cool, why don't you do an AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS version ?".

And indeed, we have SFS2 and JXFS and these are very good and robust filesystems.

By the way, I'm glad to see a new FS for MorphOS, specifically developped for it


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Yes AOS4 has JXFS, but thats no valid reason not to port it (if its better)

and you don't have to use AOS4 too port it :)

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If he is indeed is selling keyfiles for his FileSystem, then why not port it to Classic and AOS4?

More users to buy it!!

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@K-L
Maybe because more the better ? And good to have new software for boch modern oses ? And because of software are for sale = more sales if os4 support coming up ?

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Yes, os4 have JFS, but that is reason to not have new filesystems at all ?:)

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The real thing is : if I want OWB MUI, IceFileSystem, a good 3D stack, USB 2 working, FireWire working, etc... I buy a Mac Mini G4 with MorphOS.

This is not what I want, I want AmigaOS 4 to be specific, to have specific tools and drivers, etc.... I don't want it to rely on MorphOS work, otherwise, as I said before, I'd better buy a MOS machine.

Did I make it clear ?


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@K-L

Sure OS4 has good and working filesystem with support for big files and drives. However, it would be nice to have some filesystem for file share between OS4 and MorphOS (FFS and SFS are rather limited - only 2 GB file support, 128 GB partitions etc.) - at least for Pegasos II users.

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@K-L
What is clear for me, that its just your opinion, its clear for you, its your "wishes". Good for you, but not for me. Filesystems its not something too much os specific. Its filesystem, which can works on any OS, any machines. GUI-mui-shmui there not make big sense, because everything can be done via cli.

I use pegasos2, and for me clear to have that filesystem as well for morphos, and the same for aos4. And i will pay for it. You not - good for you.

And one more question: its you will develop all that "uniq" programs for aos4 ?

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It's working good, thanks for the update. Unfortunately I haven't got a vast data amount to transfer, so I can't test the FS's behaviour with large and frequently data transfers. A booting possibility on Mac hardware would be cool, too. I would rather appreciate a 68k version, if possible (don't know if it's possible to use a 64bit API on 68k). Just to have some kind of "backup" option (with SFS partitions you could use 68k/WinUAE as a backup solution).

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@K-L Quote:
Indeed, I'm wondering why every time something gets out for MorphOS or AmigaOS4, someone comes and asks : "cool, why don't you do an AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS version ?".

Better to ask: Why NOT port something? If it's easy(ish), then it's worth doing (if the author is open to the idea). If the program was worth having for MOS/OS4 then it's probably worth having for OS4/MOS.

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This is not what I want, I want AmigaOS 4 to be specific, to have specific tools and drivers, etc.... I don't want it to rely on MorphOS work, otherwise, as I said before, I'd better buy a MOS machine.

That seems very black & white thinking:

OS4 & MOS share SOME common interfaces. In such cases it seems madness to not make use of the fact they share them - otherwise we reinvent the wheel twice for everything (stupid & ultimately hurts both OSes). BTW, a filingsystem should be one of those cases.

AmigaOS4 & MorphOS have advanced features which programs can be designed to use. In those cases it is difficult to port such programs, because it uses highly OS-specific features. But this is fine, since it is those advanced features which help define the OS.

Additionally, the "user experience" on OS4 & MOS are quite different, and can be one reason for choosing one over the other. Having some same programs on both OSes doesn't change that.


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It's working good, thanks for the update. Unfortunately I haven't got a vast data amount to transfer, so I can't test the FS's behaviour with large and frequently data transfers. A booting possibility on Mac hardware would be cool, too. I would rather appreciate a 68k version, if possible (don't know if it's possible to use a 64bit API on 68k). Just to have some kind of "backup" option (with SFS partitions you could use 68k/WinUAE as a backup solution).


OS3 is missing 64bit dos.library so no large file support..


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@Chris & Ka1se

I understand your point of view, of course.

The real question is : don't you think that if the developper of IceFilesystem (or any other developers making ONE version for a specific platform) had had any will to develop for another system than the target the aimed at, they would have done so ?

I really like the fact hat Jahc has ported his softwares for AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS 3.x and 4.x but it was his choice, and a good one (as for Hollywood for example).

I hate begging for something (remember Sputnik ?).

To summarize, I'm glad to see a program developped for many platforms by his author but I won't cry if this is not his choice. And if someone wants to port a program from a platform to another one, it's cool too.

What is really annoying this is this begging thing ("please, port your software to my system. I will even give you money to do it if you don't like doing it").


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What is really annoying this is this begging thing ("please, port your software to my system. I will even give you money to do it if you don't like doing it").

If someone works not for free, but want to make a more or less commercical software, then there is nothing wrong to say "if you will port it to that and that, then we will pay you too". Authors should know, that if they will develop not for only one OS, then they will have bigger user base, as well as more possibility to get some money from his work. And what annoing can be there ? You want to have aos4 so uniq, to have in end answers like "we no need any ports , we not need anything, we own the world, aos4 rulez !" ?:) aos4 and morphos can be uniq of course from other systems, but when its so close beetwen (they boch ppc, the boch modern, they boch in developing, they boch commercical), then having making such tools like filesystems only for one OS.. well.. why not of course, but that is the moment why we all can ask "make an os4 version too, and we will pay for too)".


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Well will workbench notifications work whit IceFileSystem under AmigaOS4?? Probably not, and can you boot from it?

As I don’t have MorphOS on the same computer, there is no point for me to invest in a new file system; that does almost the same as file systems that comes whit the OS.

If I ever get a MorphOS compatible computer its where likely it will be standing side by side to the AmigaOne X1000, and in this case a network file system of some sorts is what I really need. (Samba Fs, FTP fs, Envoy 2011)

In the other case a disk based file system does not do me any good unless it’s on a USB stick.

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AROS would benefit the most from a port

AmigaOS 4.1 already has JFX.

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@K-L Quote:
don't you think that if the developper of IceFilesystem (or any other developers making ONE version for a specific platform) had had any will to develop for another system than the target the aimed at, they would have done so ?

Ummm, did you not read the ReadMe that came with it? (I'll leave you to read it, rather than put words into Returner's mouth.)

Anyway, I was mainly objecting to the general idea that porting between OS4 & MOS (and AROS) is wrong, rather than IceFS in particular.

BTW, I didn't beg for anything, but I do agree that seems a bit over-the-top. If money is the *only* incentive, then it may not be a good or successful port (see Sputnik).


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