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Hardware News   Hardware News : Even More News on the X1000
   posted by MaximvsPayne on 10-Mar-2011 11:12:04 (11963 reads)
London, 10th March 2011

Following the AmigaOne X1000 Update article in the current edition of "Amiga Future" magazine we asked Adam Barnes, the Technical Director of Varisys, to provide an official Nemo progress report.



"From the horse's mouth"

We have had some problems with procurement of certain items for the revision 2 Nemo board which delayed our production plan by about 4 weeks. The situation was not helped either by the Chinese New Year celebrations. However, I'm pleased to report that these difficulties have now been overcome. We've had one remaining issue with supply of the onboard PC99 audio connector. The best delivery we could obtain for the existing connector type was a minimum order quantity of 10,000 pieces and a lead time of 12 weeks. We had an option for a direct replacement which has 6 jacks (enough for 5.1 analogue out) but unfortunately the Taiwanese supplier did not respond to our communications. Our alternative compromise plan was a triple jack which would support simple stereo audio out through the back panel, with header pins on the board to support 5.1 audio for users who want this feature. However, this was not our preferred option and eventually we managed to source an almost identical PC99 HD audio connector from an Italian company to satisfy our demand for all the Beta test boards.

We already have enough PA6T CPUs in hand and we have also secured supplies of the SB600 south bridge chip and various other long lead parts, with deliveries of all due on or before the 15th of this month, in sufficient quantities for the current schedule of revision 2 beta test boards. Typically, the production time from full kit to assembled boards is 10 days for small batches (the 5 off for approval). This timescale will be confirmed once the kit is issued out for build. The estimated lead time for the balance of beta test boards will be around 20-25 days based on standard PCB fabrication and assembly lead times.

Barnes also confirmed he was in the process of writing up a technical brief of the new dual-core XMOS subsystem. This will include a block diagram and pinouts so prospective end users can start working on the XMOS side of things.

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ironic that the problems are with the standard parts and not with the rare and custom ones (PA6T CPU ans Xmos)

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We've had one remaining issue with supply of the onboard PC99 audio connector.

It will be interesting to read what the Naysayers reaction to this will be...

I'm very interested in this system and its progress. Nice update!

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It will be interesting to read what the Naysayers reaction to this will be...


Maybe it would have been better not to lay that little piece of bait...


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The truth always sets you free.

It's my understanding that Varisys already had the CPUs from previous dealings with PASemi.

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Nice Report (I already received it from Aeon newsletter but alas).

@OldFart
The whole community is totally uninterested to what naysayers have to say, anybody should understand this is fun geeky stuff for a small niche market.
Interesting for some, not so much for others (and those belonging to the latter group will probably have better things to do than wasting their time here talking about a product they are not interested in).


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Nice news ! And thanks all involved sharing it !

Everybody who was whining for lack of news should now show thankfulness and respect to this.


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As I understood it it would not be a problem to get them... you only need to buy a milion (or so) at once.


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Thanx for the report!


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such progress report as this could have been released without asking for it so many times. thanks nevertheless. it sounds a little strange that the supply of most common, widely available and i think quite normed parts is holding this up, but might be. so lets wait another couple of weeks to see what comes out of this.

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thanks for the update! though I'd prefer if the X1000 came with a dedicated sound card rather than a on-board one..I know my trusty M-Audio card is patiently waiting


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@A-Eon
Great to read some concrete news on how the X1000 is progressing

@wawa
I guess we can trust you for the negative viewpoint...

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such progress report as this could have been released without asking for it so many times.

I guess they are busy working on the X1000 & other projects, and don't bother too much with forums where people may post such requests, so it is easy to forget to post these kinds of updates. Additionally, you can hardly ask them to post news BEFORE they have any news to post.

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it sounds a little strange that the supply of most common, widely available and i think quite normed parts is holding this up

Unless you have been involved in (or closely followed) hardware manufacture, I don't think you can offer judgments on what is usual & what is strange.

But I don't think so strange anyway, because they can easily predict that difficult & expensive parts will be difficult to get hold of, and so get those ordered many months in advance. OTOH, they might not be so careful with "common" parts (if there can be such a thing when you have a catalogue of 1000s if not 10,000s of parts to choose from) thus leading to the situation you see.

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but might be.

So now you are accusing them (and Trevor in particular) of lying?!?

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so lets wait another couple of weeks to see what comes out of this.

That also seems to imply you are interested in the X1000, and also that more info will definitely appear in 2 weeks, neither of which seems likely IMHO...

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Welcome to the world of small scale production.

It is often the parts you are told are no problem then become a problem and you need to order huge amounts for speed. Quite often these things are out of a companies control.

Any way great to have this small insight in the production issues so people can understand the delays and not believe those who thrive on misinterpreting delays.

As always I look forward to having the Hardware to go with my Beta Tester badge.


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well, since im being accused of negative prejudice, i must admit that as a hesitating type of guy i have the comfort to be able to change my mind every other 5 minutes. so if x1k materializes i stil might consider it, why not, except i might not have the money. but it isnt there yet, so the only thing i can do about it in the meantime is talk. im not going to invest money years or even months in advance, that for sure. and seeng this community split in a civil war, i take for the time being the most secure shelter, one not dependent on high investments, closed licences nor on particular obviously non replacable human ressources. guess what it is.

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such progress report as this could have been released without asking for it so many times. thanks nevertheless. it sounds a little strange that the supply of most common, widely available and i think quite normed parts is holding this up, but might be. so lets wait another couple of weeks to see what comes out of this.


Presumably what's holding them up isn't that they *couldn't* get the part, but getting it at a good price at the relatively small quantities needed on short notice. A-Eon isn't a large PC manufacturer that can order a million at the time, after all.


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So starting on the 15th, it will take 10 days to manufacture the 5 approval boards (wasn't the plan mentioned at AmiWest that those would be produced before the end of 2010?). Then presumably someone has to extensively test them --- what would be the point, otherwise? Let's say a couple of weeks, minimum. Then 20-25 days to produce the beta tester boards (assuming the approval process goes smoothly). So 30-35 days, plus testing time.

Seeing as the times Varisys mentions are all in multiples of 5 days, those are probably working days. So 6-7 weeks, plus testing time; 8-9 weeks --- early May.

So if all goes according to this latest plan, you won't have to wait till summer if you are a beta tester.


(Oh, and am I the only one who thinks that 5.1 analog out needs 3 jacks, not 6? Seeing as each stereo jack carries two channels...
Does AHI even support anything beyond stereo?)

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great news that things are progressing.

Its a common tactic by large companies to monopolize or buy out competitor components.

Thats why Commodore had their own component warehouse / electronic hardware dept.

if all Amigoid hardware use similar components, maybe an Amiga Only hardware component repository could be set up.

If parts are coming from China, one needs a department in China to keep track and source cheapest components.

A 1p difference in price of a single component x 1-3(min) parts per motherboard x 10,000 units would cost :
100 - 300 more per component per motherboard.

~100 components per motherboard and the cost escalates.

Every penny counts.

I think Petro deals with China/far east.

- just some thoughts.


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@Tomppeli

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Everybody who was whining for lack of news should now show thankfulness and respect to this.


That's stretching it a bit. Nobody here has to say thanks to anything really. We're dealing with companies which job is to make sure the customers keep their interest, so they should of course provide progress reports now and then. Especially after they slipped their own dates.

Thanks A-Eon and Varisys - good luck with finalizing the project


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Everybody who was whining for lack of news should now show thankfulness and respect to this.


Are you kidding?

IMO it was A-eon's DUTY to inform future customers and beta testers on the latest delay.
Now that they have, everything is ok. We know the time frame for the beta testers atleast.
I think Trevor is a bit optimistic when he thinks "hopefully" end users will have systems to
buy by May-June though.


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Time will tell...

However it is nice to hear some news about whats going on behind the scenes


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Thanks for update.

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Barnes also confirmed he was in the process of writing up a technical brief of the new dual-core XMOS subsystem.


"Xena" 500MHz XMOS XS1-L2 124 (from the A-EON website)

Even Xena will be dual core (2 cores - 16 threads)!

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