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   posted by DaveyD on 22-Jun-2003 12:27:25 (3066 reads)
Session 13 of the Fortnightly Questions and Answers sessions with Amiga's Chief Technology Officer Fleecy Moss are now online.

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Re: Fortnightly Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 13
Posted on 22-Jun-2003 13:21:06
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Very nice


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Gamepacks sold out? Good news .

Did anyone else find the last sentence on question 8 somewhat intriguing?

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However, the most important reason is because a brand new, world class HTML rendering solution is one of elements of AmigaOS4.1.

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I do try to reflect carefully on what Fleecy says and I have to say that with this:

"2) Rudei: Can you clarify that the Amiga trademarks are indeed safe and still licenced to Amiga Inc? There has been a lot of malicious talk recently and it would be helpful to have an official line so we can quash the rumours once and for all.

Fleecy: Our attorney tells us that everything is as it should be. "

He definately did not answer the question. What their attorney says could mean just about anything in regards to anything. He did not answer the question plain and simple.

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Did anyone else find the last sentence on question 8 somewhat intriguing?


Yup, I did...

"World Class" sounds really nice.

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@ soft

It means that Amiga stills owns all of Amiga's trademarks and the trademarks will not fall into malicious hands, unlike what some people could believe based on propaganda originating from rivals.

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Certainly sounded very interesting...

...but please tell me that A inc aren't trying to write their own rendering engine from scratch? I know they want to follow a similar strategy to Apple - but even Apple didn't write one for Safari and used the GPLed KHTML instead. If they are writing one, it's wasted time IMO.

The new UI is certainly something I'll be interested in when we hear about how it will work


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However, the most important reason is because a brand new, world class HTML rendering solution is one of elements of AmigaOS4.1.


Well, i don't read the QA anymore but i do wonder why people still can get excited about what Fleecy tells us.

Reality check here: OS4 is not out yet and it will not be for probably another half year on AOne (end of year?), so what Fleecy is doing here (again) is creating some sort of hype. In fact, he has done nothing but create hype and none of it has become reality. Fleecy seems to live in his dreamworld.

About the gamepacks being sold out, did the QA mention who many they made?

 
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With a lot of open source browsers out there, A Inc. would propably not write one from scratch. But I hope they choose a fast engine and implement it tight with workbench. I´m not proud of it, but I like the way MS explorer treat ftp sites like local folders, and that you can open a website in any window.

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The Apple enhanced versions of KHTML and KJS (available as OSS) would be a great starting point for the development of a native AmigaOS browser.


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@z5

Please comment only on news you actually read.

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Well, i don't read the QA anymore but i do wonder why people still can get excited about what Fleecy tells us.


Because he is Amiga's CTO and to a great extend decides what the future of Amiga products will be.

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The Apple enhanced versions of KHTML and KJS (available as OSS) would be a great starting point for the development of a native AmigaOS browser.


This is something the AWeb team plans to do:

- Port KHTML or Gecko and package it as a library, give it an API so anyone can use it for whatever they wish.
- Build a new webbrowser around it which is platform independent (that is between AmigaOS3.x, 4.x, AROS and MorphOS).

I would also hate to see double-work done on such a small platform.

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and to a great extend decides what the future of Amiga products will be


oh boy, that really is a scary thought

What was the plan again: AmigaAnywhere, write once, run everywhere!

It turned out more like:
Nobody writes it once, because it runs nowhere.

 
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@ z5

AmigaAnywhere currently makes Amiga Inc quite some money and the underlying technology is IMO amazing. The reason why certain products were cancelled/delayed by companies like Nokia and Sendo do not relate to Amiga's business, but rather to general market conditions.

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Gamepacks sold out? Good news


Yep...that's what we heard yesterday at our user group meeting too. Good news that they are selling and bringing in income.

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Did anyone else find the last sentence on question 8 somewhat intriguing?


Yes, I did notice that. And it makes me wonder how it will be integrated, and what the implications will be. Let's just hope they do it right, and not the Microsoft way.

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Bewildered Bodie:Quote:
Did anyone else find the last sentence on question 8 somewhat intriguing?
I just hope that "world class" doesn't mean that Microsoft® had anything to do with it.

That would really take the cake.


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@Quixote

Hehehe .

Seriously, although I doubt Microsoft would even consider porting anything for OS4x, I personally believe that having the world's largest software company supporting OS4x could be beneficial . Especially in terms of userbase expansion. Anyhow I think we are reading way too much into this .

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However, the most important reason is because a brand new, world class HTML rendering solution is one of elements of AmigaOS4.1.
Hu? ARGH!!!

Brand new? Why? There are already two open source and one licensable world class solutions available! (Moz, KHTML and Opera respectively). I simply dont believe writing a new one is a good idea when such good ones are already available for free.

Omni group went down the route of writing their own for OmniWeb, but they simply didnt have the resources to keep up with technology. So they've switched to Apple WebCore in their latest betas.

Besides, just building a world class HTML rendering solution is relatively easy. What about CSS1, CSS2, xHTML, SVG, MathML, XML, XSL etc


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Sbaitso: Are you familiar with the Amizilla project? What are your feelings about it? Is there any chance Amiga, Inc. may contribute to the cause?
Fleecy: I think it is another great example of the Amiga community in action and putting its money where its mouth is to improve and extend the platform. We will not contribute to the cause because it is a third party effort and also because if the rules of the project are correct, then we would be supporting potential competitors as well.
However, the most important reason is because a brand new, world class HTML rendering solution is one of elements of AmigaOS4.1.

C'mon c'mon!!!!! Yes a new browser for OS4.1!!!


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@Mike B
QUOTE : "AmigaAnywhere currently makes Amiga Inc quite some money and the underlying technology is IMO amazing. "

Makes them quite a bit of money eh? Thats why they never paid Bolton Peck? Thats why they had to close their offices and the landlord had to auction their gear for backrent? Lets be honest here. I hope they are making money from it - its the only thing that can save them. I feel bad for them because they almost had it with DE 2 years ago but when the whole dot.com thing crashed so did their contracts.... and they havent recovered since.
Its a shame really as Bill M is a nice guy.. but Amiga inc. is in serious trouble as a corporation. 4 guys working out of their homes still under the company banner will have a tough time getting contracts with big companies in the software market. ho hum.. :(

And as far as Fleecy saying the supporting the Amizilla effort will help out the competition is bs. THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE AMIZILLA EFFORT PLAIN AND SIMPLE THEY ARE BROKE!

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