This one sneeked up on me ... Has it been a fortnight already ?

Still, some interested answers. (Dunno if billsey will be happy with his, though I feel it was answered in the best way).

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This one sneeked up on me ... Has it been a fortnight already ?

Yeah likewise.

Interesting that he is giving bit more away on the whole AmigaDE thing, and how it will eventually become integrated.

/me stomps around "I want my OS4"

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So they are re-working the NDA policy to be more in line with the industry practices. That should help stop some of the old arguments and complaints.

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So they are re-working the NDA policy to be more in line with the industry practices. That should help stop some of the old arguments and complaints.

U must be joking - you`ll never stop anyone complaining about Amiga Inc, everybody seems to think they can do a better job....would like to seem them try.

Roll on OS4

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Another helpful and encouraging Q&A. Thanks Fleecy and AmigaWorld. It did bring up a couple of questions.

ssolie asked a question about a ?services based approach? that I didn?t fully understand.

Is AmigaInc. considering something like MS?s .net ( which I understand to be, in part, renting applications from a main server (meaning one must be online to do this) and not have a word processor, paint program etc. on the local hard drive but getting what ever application is need for any given task from this main server. Or is it just a description of how the AOS works internally to gain access to the local (on the hard drive) application?
What did I miss.... can anyone explain?

Billsey?s question (religion aside) seems to imply there was some ?major? thing or things that have occurred which turned people away from the Amiga itself or from the people at AmigaInc. at least.

I was a big fan of greenboy?s insights and comments when I frequented moobunnies Amiga section (never go there anymore) but only to see him ?turn?, if I may use the term, and then to see what happened at Amiga.org and Wayne?s position going from an Amiga advocate to at least neutral or even negative was and is disturbing. I don?t know why or what happened can any one explain?

Can any one add some insight to this? I certainly hope this does not start any kind of flame war but AmigaWorld seems like safe place to ask this question.


BobC.

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U must be joking - you`ll never stop anyone complaining about Amiga Inc, everybody seems to think they can do a better job....would like to seem them try.

Of course you are probably right.... but maybe it will help. There are those who would find something wrong with Amiga if they were giving away new systems with OS4 to everyone.

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Or is it just a description of how the AOS works internally to gain access to the local (on the hard drive) application?

I understood it to be on a local level of what handles things, the OS or the application. Of course, I could be wrong.

@BobC

"sevices" in this case in a description of AOS internaly(or realy where its going), so its got nothing to do with subscription software or similar.

about the Religious question: I would say you are reading way too much into this, religion is a private matter(or atleast it should be as if everyone stuck to that we wouldnt have 9/10th of the wars we´ve had during our history).
As for the other issues about greenboy, wayne and others I would say its probably up to them what to think, say and so on, everyone deals with issues their own way some positive others negative.

Before you ask(Billsey): nope Im not christian, more or a habitual mass consumer of all kinds of religions, right now my favorites are zen buddism(cool tempels), the pre christian norse religion(anyone that makes up a war god gotta be investigated) and then some oddball smaller stuff :)

I believe religion is a complex matter, best not to be mixed with or emphasized too much with regard to a globally targeting computer business. Although I would like companies to honour "Thou shalt not steal".



Although when reading Bill McEwen's messages it's pretty obvious that he is a Christian.

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Although when reading Bill McEwen's messages it's pretty obvious that he is a Christian.

I thought he is a Bill

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@Messiah:

Thanks for the ?services? answer. I?m delighted to hear it has nothing to do with the .net concept.

I did say religion aside to try and not get that in the mix but that didn?t work and just for the ?record? I am a practicing Christian.

To respond to the oft quoted (false) premise religion is the biggest reason we kill each other and stick to my own request of religion aside and not mention some of the good and proper stuff like all the hospitals and free care provided to millions of people around the globe by organized religion etc. etc.- consider this:

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." When left to our own devices we (humankind) ****ALWAYS*** turn to the dark side.

Some modern examples of ?death by atheist?....there are many more:

Idi Amin in Uganda killed several hundred thousand of his own people; Pol Pot of Khmer Rouge fame killed 2 million of his own, Hitler of course killed 11- 12 million (6 million Jews) not to mention the one hundred million or so killed in WWII by his actions and my favorite atheist of all time Joseph V. Stalin killed between 20 - 60 Million of his own people (depending upon your sources), never anything like this in history. All of this from Godless men, all of them! And a close 2nd.. the 10?s of millions slaughtered in Red China brought to us by Chairman Mao and his Cultural Revolution, not to mention the massacre in 1989 at Tiananmen Square. And last but not least Saddam Hussein is (was) a ?non practicing? Arab and has killed more Muslims (1 million) than anyone in history. Some points to ponder perhaps.

Bob C.

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I'm sorry but I'm athiest and I haven'tkilled anyone yet!

What are you trying to say by that?

I really think you should seriously ponder over what you think you know.

The people you mention above have (or had) probably more religion than you can imagine and you seem to very conveniently have left out all of the religious fanatics both past and present that have passed judgement on their innocent and often very devout fellow-beings.

I assume you are not a fanatic so you must be just plain stupid.

Actually this thread has taken a very silly and extremely low turn for this site and I apologize for my contribution.

Good night but this is more than I can take.

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@bobc

Dont worry I meant nothing personal against you or any other practising christian, I simply meant that religion is something best kept to oneself.
Its one of those things people are easily offended about if talked about in a fashion that doesnt suit them(hence its actualy for once better to do the P.C thing and keep it private).

or do what I do keep it private and walk about thinking your superior to everyone else ;D

This is a forum about computers, not religeon so it has no place here.

It isn't religeon that causes wars, but disagreements about it (any aspect of it). Look at this thread already! Enough said...

I will shut up now because I'm only adding to the problem.

(What religeon I am is not relavant)

@Messiah:

Exactly right in a forum like this.....and the very reason I said "religion aside" when I asked the original question. Because it invokes silly and emotional replies like steff's. It can very quickly become irrational and.....

....AND (to get this back on my question perhaps)

I never did get my question addressed......The seeming hatred or loathing even of things Amiga? WHY?

I remember on the "bunny" people referring to Amiga as "The Name" not wanting to even say Amiga! So silly really! Any one have a clue?

Bob C.

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I never did get my question addressed......The seeming hatred or loathing even of things Amiga? WHY?

Well, my two cents on the subject, psychology. In this case, the opposite of Love isn't Hate, it's ambivalance. Like a wounded lover, their love for the Amiga has turned to hate, and anything about it. Since it's taken so long to get where they want it to go, they themselves don't even know where it should be anymore. Them not getting what they wanted is the wound to turn it to hate, since they really don't want to give it up. (Anyone still around REALLY doesn't want to give it up!) Since they have people that agree, it keeps that hate alive as they feed on each other's hate to sustain their own. It's Mob mentality. It's human nature. One of the quickest ways shown throughout history to bring people together is to point out what they should all hate. And all logic goes out the window.

As long as there are enough to keep that critical mass of hate, it won't subside. If anything, it will consume more. All the FUD and lies just continue to feed it and make it grow.

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As a further speculation, it's possible that they feel the alternative Amiga (MorphOS) is really where Amiga proper should be and is angry that it isn't. So it's like deep down they hate themselves for "cheating", and continue to hate Amiga for not being what it should in their eyes. Or even feel "betrayed" because Amiga isn't where it should be in their eyes.


Ok, I'll get off my Froyd soapbox now.

@Bob C

Vested interest is one of the major issues I guess, people have made all kinds of claims and put their reputation at stake to see their "opinion" win.

This also ties into another issue and that is things change over time some people deal with this better than others(with this I mean the most vocal people had a prominent "community" position before Amiga Inc. came into being, its only natural that some fight for status quo, some want to move forward while others want something else entierly).

Finaly you have personal gain in terms of finacial "contributions", a dangerous mix for "community pillars" atleast if one values independant thought.

This is my private observation on the subject and its probably not the "corporate" thing to say, kinda like the religion thing. So in other words this would be me speaking for myself not for anyone else ;)

LordArt & Messiah:

Thanks for the thoughtful reflections. I had considered some of the things mentioned.. Surprising some very bright minds might lend themselves to a "herd" mentality.. Especially when one considers this is an Amiga issue... not one the 'Masses" even know about. Financials gains I can understand...But passions do run high.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one perplexed by this.

Bob C.

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