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Software News   Software News : The FULL version of Roadshow is NOW available to buy
   posted by AndreasM on 3-Jan-2013 9:46:42 (2720 reads)
From today, the full version of the Roadshow TCP/IP stack is available to buy through the APC&TCP online store.

Roadshow is an Amiga TCP/IP stack, that allows you to connect to the Internet, to access your e-mail, web pages, chat, etc. It can also be used to access and exchange files within your local home network.

Read more...


Roadshow is one of the fastest, if not THE fastest Amiga TCP/IP stacks.

Some features include:

- Amiga-ised configuration utilities rather than the terse and somewhat cryptic Unix legacy tools
- DHCP configuration for Ethernet devices
- "TCP:" device support, for use with, for example, ARexx scripts
- Enhanced & cleaned-up software development kit, that includes the complete source code to all the configuration tools and sample programs

and ... much more ...

http://roadshow.apc-tcp.de
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Sandpiper 
Re: The FULL version of Roadshow is NOW available to buy
Posted on 4-Jan-2013 2:52:46
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Nice. For those who currently own Miami or MiamiDx, are there any advantages to using Roadshow? Haas anyone done any comparisons with the demo?

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Nice. For those who currently own Miami or MiamiDx, are there any advantages to using Roadshow? Haas anyone done any comparisons with the demo?


I think the main advantages over the other stacks are: huge speed difference compared to Miami(DX) and DHCP/PPPoE support compared to AmiTCP/Genesis.


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Posted on 4-Jan-2013 23:18:35
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Taking 25,- euros for something which is essential today is just silly though. And this software doesn't have GUI even? You have to manually type in your settings in a text file?

Must be the worst release ever! Would be funny if Lynx - the text web browser sudden become payment software...

Sorry, but I thought Miami was the last commercial tcp/ip stack!


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Re: The FULL version of Roadshow is NOW available to buy
Posted on 5-Jan-2013 0:52:22
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Its a part of OS4 and is now sold to 68k users who ever needs a new tcp/ip stack. MiamiDX you can't buy anymore if i remember right. A gui would in my opinion be something in the package. At least one minimal.

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Posted on 5-Jan-2013 7:49:03
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Ordered and paid for Roadshow as promised in 2004.

Funnily enough, due to no available Amiga at the moment,
I fired up the latest Icaros 1.5 desktop and browsed the
archive from there. Just to get the proper Amiga feel.

Interesting stuff... My intention is to maybe see if I can
get my old Amithlon box up and running and use Roadshow
on it, as I remember the author of it really recommended it.


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Re: The FULL version of Roadshow is NOW available to buy
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Taking 25,- euros for something which is essential today is just silly though. And this software doesn't have GUI even? You have to manually type in your settings in a text file?

Must be the worst release ever! Would be funny if Lynx - the text web browser sudden become payment software...


I started working on this TCP/IP stack at the time when the Amiga market was shifting, only I didn't know how much it would shift. By the time the product was ready for a first commercial release, I had the devil of a time finding a publisher for it.

When I found a publisher, the question of doing a GUI certainly came up, and since I had a lot of work on my hands already, the plan was to design how the GUI should work, hand the design to a programmer who would use it as a guideline to build the GUI. This (ahem) didn't work out well.

Trouble was, this first attempt to get Roadshow published failed so completely that it really broke my heart. Since then I managed to muster the courage to try this a total of three times, and these attempts all petered out.

Is this the worst release ever? It was certainly the worst experience I ever had in getting a piece of complex software published which I had written and put a lot of heart into.

Now, your view of this episode may make this look like an absurd exercise, and why shouldn't it look like it? For me, finally getting Roadshow published at last brings closure. And that's quite something, I can tell you.

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Wait, so there is no GUI at all? I thought there was just no newb getting set up GUI?

It didn't seem like that was needed since u can edit a super simple text file to enter the settings.


Is there a gui for making the TCP/IP stack go offline/online?

If not, then how does one make the TCP/IP stack go offline? And then back online?

How does one know if the stack is currently online or not?


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Re: The FULL version of Roadshow is NOW available to buy
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EDIT: Removed all as Olsen has a describe in next post.

Also there is 3rd party app netspeedometer and probably others with which you can see your speed download/upload etc.

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Wait, so there is no GUI at all? I thought there was just no newb getting set up GUI?

It didn't seem like that was needed since u can edit a super simple text file to enter the settings.


There's an installation script which does the basics. If you know what type of networking interface you are using, all you need to do is drag the respective config file from SYS:NetInterfaces into DEVS:NetInterfaces, reboot, and the network should start up. All network interface config files are set to use DHCP, and provided you have a router at home which can talk to it, it should be very simple to get going.

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Is there a gui for making the TCP/IP stack go offline/online?


No, there isn't.

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If not, then how does one make the TCP/IP stack go offline?


By telling the respective network interface to go offline, e.g. "ConfigureNetInterface Ariadne Offline" (in the shell).

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And then back online?


By telling the respective network interface to go online, e.g. "ConfigureNetInterface Ariadne Online".

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How does one know if the stack is currently online or not?


There's more than one way to do it. For example, you can enter "GetNetStatus" which will print a summary of the network status, which includes information on whether or not network interfaces are online.

Or you could enter "ShowNetStatus Interfaces" which will summarize the network interface information. To obtain more detailed network interface status information, remember which name the interfaces uses, then enter e.g. "ShowNetStatus Interface Ariadne".

Last edited by olsen on 06-Jan-2013 at 08:58 AM.

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Ok, everything sounds reasonable.

The only problem I could have would be that I do not use a router or DHCP.

I log directly into my ISP over PPPOE.

On Windoze there was a little GUI for that to enter my username and password and the address to connect to.

I can't remember how I did it on Miami Deluxe.... It was a zillion years ago.
p.s. I have a mediator + lame 10Mbit ethernet card if that matters.


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@olsen:

First of all, thanks for this great release, I've been waiting for Roadshow since I'd seen it first in 2002 on an Amithlon system. I bought it on Saturday, and I'm very satisfied with it.

Regarding the GUI: The installation is pretty fast forward, and everyone with basic knowledge of Amiga-specific things like moving DOSDrivers or starting a texteditor of his choice should be able to create a proper setup.

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If not, then how does one make the TCP/IP stack go offline?
By telling the respective network interface to go onlie, e.g. "ConfigureNetInterface Ariadne Online".


And if you want "GUI" for these, those shell commands can easily be added to any startmenu/dock/pulldown menu/etc extension you're using.

I guess very rare needs a GUI in normal use. At least I have them hidden in normal use with older stacks. Only cases I use them is configuring or debugging, but that can be made other ways too. Actually I mostly edit config files with Genesis too.. for example when adding entries to hotsts file it's faster to edit it with text editor than going to open specified GUI for it.


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The only problem I could have would be that I do not use a router or DHCP.

I log directly into my ISP over PPPOE.


In this day and age, I would not recommend it. Convenience aside, the main advantage of using a router to establish the internet connection is to shield your local network from whatever is making the rounds at the moment. Directly connecting your computer to the internet is bound to make your life more interesting and exciting, and not necessarily in a good way.

But, this is your choice, and Roadshow comes with the means to connect your Amiga to the internet via PPPoE. I hope you still remember which login information you use to make the connection with Miami Deluxe. If you wanted to give Roadshow a try, you'd need that data, and you might have to do some typing & editing to make the necessary configuration file work for you. Connecting to the internet then finally comes down to starting a program called "ppp_connector" from the shell.

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On Windoze there was a little GUI for that to enter my username and password and the address to connect to.


You are directly connecting your WIndows machine to the internet? Just curious: you do have a compelling reason for doing so, I suppose. If not, then either find one, or buy a gateway router, preferably yesterday. This is what I would strongly recommend.

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I can't remember how I did it on Miami Deluxe.... It was a zillion years ago.


Either that, or 16 years

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I have a mediator + lame 10Mbit ethernet card if that matters.


As long as your internet connection does not provide for more bandwidth than 10 MBit/s, you probably won't miss anything

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Seems Roadshow 68K works with Morphos after some tweaks, thread from morphzone.org http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8962&forum=9 Dragster got the stack running, and its blazingly fast

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I see a big hang up over not having a GUI here. And I have to say I do agree with others on that point. If we look back to Termite, Miami and Genesis. But there were bigger man resources back then. And more buyers.

However, the OS4 version has a GUI, so why isn't that used? It's Reaction. Is the OS4 GUI then closed sourced and privy only to OS4 owners?

Being a GUI for Roadshow can act as a seperate entity we should see one come up in the future. Who ever the author may be. And OS4 can be a hint on how to go about it.

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I see a big hang up over not having a GUI here. And I have to say I do agree with others on that point. If we look back to Termite, Miami and Genesis. But there were bigger man resources back then. And more buyers.


All true... But: it seems that whoever is brave enough to give a bare bones TCP/IP stack a try seems to be oddly comfortable with the thing not having a GUI. This may be an awkward case of "self-selected sample", but for me it suggests that owning an Amiga these days implies a great degree of technical knowledge.

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However, the OS4 version has a GUI, so why isn't that used?


I didn't write it, and I don't own any part of it. Also, I didn't ask whether I might use it. I just didn't have the heart to give it another shot...

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Is the OS4 GUI then closed sourced and privy only to OS4 owners?


I do not know the details, but I'd be surprised if the code were merely a recompilation away from running under OS 2.x/3.x.

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Being a GUI for Roadshow can act as a seperate entity we should see one come up in the future.


Roadshow is designed to support a GUI. Only that the GUI for Roadshow 68k suffered from more than one "transporter accident" in the past 12 years.

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@olsen

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But: it seems that whoever is brave enough to give a bare bones TCP/IP stack a try seems to be oddly comfortable with the thing not having a GUI.


That's probably because the core of the work involved with TCP/IP doesn't involve any GUI toolkit and is more low level. Or more so revolving around a particular API and its internal structures.

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This may be an awkward case of "self-selected sample", but for me it suggests that owning an Amiga these days implies a great degree of technical knowledge.


For some some it does. And I would have a certain degree of that knowledge. But I do know seasoned Amiga people who are not technically minded and so a GUI is beneficial. And also, the Amiga was an attraction, as it was user friendly.

On a small note (or comparison) I do have to admit I have written software without a GUI. Not all is released. Most are commodities configured with tool types. Some with GUI but not to configure it. Had tool types been upgraded to be more modern and use a GUI for settings this would be less of a problem.

Others are CLI utilities. And some would benefit from a GUI. But it can be hard to add one in.

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