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Software News   Software News : Aladdin4D to go Shared-Source
   posted by DiscreetFX on 8-May-2013 17:30:14 (3862 reads)
In an effort to renew development efforts for Aladdin4D we will be making it shared-source commercial software. What this means is source code to Aladdin4D 5.x & 6.0 will be shared with key programmers in the AROS, AmigaOS 4 & MorphOS communities. Money will be paid out to any major changes they make to the code for example adding a MUI interface, native MorphOS or AmigaOS 4 version, completing Aladdin 4D 6.0 for OS X, Etc. Because of programmer issues Aladdin4D 5.x was taken off the market in October 2012... (Please click read more.)

Aladdin4D will be available again as a Instant Download but any sales will go into the programmer pool to upgrade the software. When DiscreetFX acquired Aladdin4D the dream was to have a modern maintained beginners 3D animation/rendering package for AmigaOS, MorphOS & AROS. Hopefully the shared-source initiative can make that dream come alive.

We welcome your views regarding this change of plans and look forward to your feedback. We only want the best for Aladdin4D and it's installed customer base and fans.

Best regards,

DiscreetFX Team
    

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Re: Aladdin4D to go Shared-Source
Posted on 8-May-2013 19:14:10
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http://discreetfx.com/Aladdin4D.html


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Re: Aladdin4D to go Shared-Source
Posted on 8-May-2013 20:46:34
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afaik, programmers having access to source code is normal.

Source code being limited to selected developers, for payment or otherwise, is typically called "closed source".

If you intend for the term "shared source" to mean something that distinguishes it from regular closed source - please explain.

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Rose 
Re: Aladdin4D to go Shared-Source
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Just a reminder how DiscreetFX does bussiness.

Google cache to the rescue!

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Dont know if this will work, and Im actually even doubtful that programmers actually will take initiative to start programming it forward, but Great move from your part nevertheless!

Thank you for trying this!

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Mod's note: Post deleted. We do not allow personal attacks on this site. I will not belittle your intelligence and quote TOS at you, since I know you are well aware of how you've broken them. Please keep grudges/agendas or ill will either to yourself or posted elsewhere and off THIS site. Thank you.

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Re: Aladdin4D to go Shared-Source
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@DiscreetFX

I just dont get it how can you still support anything Amiga.

Every time you try to do something good, like now, people always start complaining about you.

Personally I think If I had been you, I had simply given up already and put all that time and money to something else than Amigas.


@Rose

I dont know about this specific thread, but I have seen couple other threads that were complaining about DiscreetFX not refunding. But as far as i have seen, everytime those issues have been dugged till the end, DiscreetFX actually had paid or contacted the customer, and while DiscreetFX might not have been as efficient in their customer refund process, they anyway have always refunded (once again, I dont know about this case you linked to) and most of time the biggest fault have been on customers side, as example, if i correclty remember, DiscreetFX had contacted, customer hadnt replied or followed instructions. But yes, if i correctly remember, DiscreetFX also wasnt too active in contacting these inactive ones.

But notice, this is just the impression I have got following some past threads about Claimed DiscreetFX refund issues and from my memory, so my memory might serve me wrong, and once again, I havent seen that thread that unfortunately have been removed (probably by DiscreetFX) from amiga.org.

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Quote:
But notice, this is just the impression I have got following some past threads about Claimed DiscreetFX refund issues and from my memory, so my memory might serve me wrong, and once again, I havent seen that thread that unfortunately have been removed (probably by DiscreetFX) from amiga.org.


Do you think that it would have been removed if it would have made em look reasonable?

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Not to sign anyone up for this or anything...but it seems that there is a group of wonderfully talented programmers porting Dopus5 to OS4, MOS and AROS. I would vote to have them take a look at this source (one Dopus5 is completed) and see what they say. They seem very qualified to do this sort of work.

But that's just my opinion.

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@cgutjahr

Your post has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the above News Item. If you 'need' to slag someone off, I can suggest other websites on which to do this. Amigaworld.net is NOT one of these websites. Please stick to commenting on the News Story at hand, this does not include personal attacks. Thank you.

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Rose 
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Got thinly veiled legal threats.... I must have hitted the nerve...

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@Yo:

Quote:

Your post has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the above News Item.

Actually, my entire posting was about this news item. I understand if you have issues with the kind of language I used, but claiming I was off-topic doesn't make any sense.

I'll refrain from posting my thoughts on this announcement again (which is yet another reminder that Aladdin is available for sale in a super-cheap-only-for-limited-time-you-will-help-restore-world-peace-by-purchasing-now kind of way), but I'd like to suggest you do your homework regarding BillP - start by comparing the IP addresses used by "Bill" and "Tedd" in these two threads: 1 and 2. Do this site's TOS allow that? Honest question.

Also, this news item basically says "available to buy again, buy now to support future development", while the last one claimed that "Aladdin 4D 5.x for AmigaOS will no longer be available after October 5th, 2012" - and, like I pointed out in the posting you deleted, there are dozens of news items like that. Isn't there some sort of policy on advertising a product using AW news items?

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@cgutjahr

Aladdin4D was not available between Oct 2012 and now. When Tedd was with DiscreetFX he used the same network that I did. Did you have a point or just trolling DFX again like you always do? What's your goal that DFX go out of business or something?


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When Tedd was with DiscreetFX he used the same network that I did.

Of course. And the same account. And Tedd's profile on digg.com appeared out of nowhere and was adapted on the fly to match whatever "Tedd" claimed about his age later on (1, 2). But "Bill" and "Tedd" are completely different persons of course. Nothing fishy about that.

The thread Rose had linked to and that you deleted swiftly was about slaapliedje (a registered member here and on a.org) being owed quite some money.

Has he been paid by now? Two years after the 'incident'?

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What's your goal that DFX go out of business or something?

Yes, I want to make sure everybody in accounting, shipping, DFX labs and the legal departement looses their jobs. Every single one of them.

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Yes, I want to make sure everybody in accounting, shipping, DFX labs and the legal departement looses their jobs. Every single one of them.



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think of the children!!!! >.<


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@cgutjahr

The only thing I see here is you trolling my thread and trying to harm DiscreetFX. It's something you have a bad habit of doing actually.


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@terminills
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think of the children!!!! >.<

are you sure discreet labs are employing children labour? :O

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are you sure discreet labs are employing children labour? :O



I never quite said that... however lets keep this pc... it's legal employment age challenged. :P


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@DiscreetFX

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@cgutjahr

The only thing I see here is you trolling my thread and trying to harm DiscreetFX. It's something you have a bad habit of doing actually.


I think that's it's safe to say that confidence in your company from within the Amiga community is at an all time low and that it would be difficult for anyone to make it much worse.

I understand that you're supporting the community by keeping amiga.org going and also placing adverts in Amiga Future but whether or not this is the case, a lot of your announcements come across to being just hot air.

I wish you luck with your new initiative to get Aladdin 4D updated but I think you've already lost a lot of goodwill here and people may be unwilling to get involved.

You now need to focus on rebuilding your reputation and the trust of the Amiga community. A good start would be to scale back on announcing things that can't be fulfilled in short order.

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You now need to focus on rebuilding your reputation and the trust of the Amiga community. A good start would be to scale back on announcing things that can't be fulfilled in short order.

Well done on making the first *constructive* criticism of DiscreteFX in this thread (i.e. politely tell them what they can do to improve the situation).

I almost feel sorry for DiscreteFX, mainly because they keep doing the same thing over & over, hoping the next time will be different. Well, maybe they did start learning, as I found this news item less bad than most of their previous ones (e.g. no mention of mythical "departments" when we all know that (say) shipping is probably handled by one person).

I think I'd like to see DiscreteFX engage in discussion with the Amiga community about what to do with Aladdin4D, rather than just make announcements after announcements that are really mainly aimed at pushing us to buy it.


I think the current lack of trust in DiscreteFX comes down to things like:

* Trying to look much bigger than they are (e.g. describing individual employees as "departments"). Over the years us Amigans have had more than enough people/companies pretending to be something they weren't, so we get very suspicious about that sort of thing.

* When someone (responsible for say shipping) screwed-up, DiscreteFX would blame their relevant "department" (aka employee), instead of simply apologising the for screw-up & trying to put things right for the customer. Trying to avoid responsibility just looks very suspicious.

* Making every news item a thinly-veiled attempt to sell some product. Sadly that is still the case with this news item. Either be honest you are trying to sell something, or keep selling entirely out of the news item (perhaps do a separate news item a month later).

* They seem to keep changing their plans every 6-12 months, without explanation - seemingly in the hope that we wouldn't notice (but we do). Sadly that is still the case with this news announcement. So they just seem fickle & unreliable (which jars badly with the "big company" image they try to project). Fixing this is harder, but discussing ideas with other people (to get an idea what the community might think of it) would be a good start. As would explaining why they changed their plans.

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It would be better to set up a bounty for open sourcing it instead imo.

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