great news, look forward to a new version!

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So, are they going to support already registered users as well?

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Nice!

I thought Mplayer (which is free) supported more than this.....

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"NEXT-GEN" computers supporting just technologies from +10 years ago and pretending to charge for it, so happily XD. Shockingly pathetic

Yer, roight! Those arseholes!!111oneone

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cool answer! it really looks like you're smarter THAT really solved the problem: congrats!

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Is the soft and hardware on the "NG" platform for AOS4 outdated compared to Wintel/IOS development?
Very much so.

Tho, unless there are incenties beyond the standard hobby level, the tiny platform will not see any software developments.
Aeon and Amigakit has started to build the foundation of a structured system that will make it easier to both find/shop certain software (and hardware). If you want steady development and get to the point where "NG" OS/thirdparty software is even close to the standard we expect to be the bare minimums these days, then you need full time developers.
Having developers on this platform depend on donations isnt working. While many of them seem to enjoy programming for the platform all the same, they have to pay livingcost like everyone else.
This requires an actual job, leaving very little time and energy to OS4 development.

So, while the "value for money" compared to todays default standard could be considered "poor", you have to have perspective.
Amiga has been left derelict for many years, so expecting Aeon/Amigakit to instantly remedy it is a bit unrealistic.
Also, for endusers on this platform, you have to, for the moment, accept that you are subsidising the development process. I love Hippoplayer on the A1200 classic, and dont mind paying/donating if that would make Kari-Pekka Koljonen continue development for it. Its unrealistic to think he would bother
unless people started paying for it.

Personally I have a hobby approach to Amiga. But when I think of it; 90% of the time I use my i7 Win8 machine for Libreoffice, music, movies, Outlook mail, webbrowsing (quite a bit of youtube) and 1 particular workrelated client that relies on Windows exlusivly. The rest is gaming, but i do that less and less.
The 90% of a end users requirement is what Aeon/Amigakit (+kas1e, Broadblues, liveforit+++) seems to focus on developing at the moment, slowly taking the X1000 (and future models) from expensive hobbies to the a (still expensive) machine that will for the most part be able to be the the ONLY computer you need to get by in todays day and age.

TLDR; Options are nice, development cost money!

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Poster: vision Date: 17-Jun-2014 17:42:52 "NEXT-GEN" computers supporting just technologies from +10 years ago and pretending to charge for it, so happily XD. Shockingly pathetic

@vision

They said next generation AmigaOS machines, not next generation computer. This is a hobby market. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything here.

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http://fabportnawak.free.fr/mplayer/

cost: 0 $

You're welcome!

@ vision

right.

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Poster: vision Date: 18-Jun-2014 8:58:24 http://fabportnawak.free.fr/mplayer/ cost: 0 $ You're welcome!

Someone in this thread already mentioned this free player. There is nothing wrong with having more than one option and again no one is forcing anyone to take the option that costs money. This ultra-small hobbyist market will either choose to support it anyway to make it worth the while of its author or not.

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http://fabportnawak.free.fr/mplayer/ cost: 0 $ You're welcome!

Ahhh... you're a mossie, that explains everything...

Mplayer is good, I use it a lot but it's a bloated port whereas DVPlayer is custom written over many years and has a lot of optimisation in it, Stephan wrote the basic decoders (mpg, avi, wmv, mp3 etc.) himself using specific Amiga code not patching generic code to make it work. it's small (360k instead of 20Mb) and fast. I use it for DVDs and VCDs mostly. Freedom of choice is always a good thing...

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It may be that your sole purpose is to serve as a warning to others.

Sure: life is simpler explaining everyone with a sustantive, and better if it is somewhat insulting.

But please explain your wonderful optimization and choices for playing up to date formats (mp4, mkv, mov) in dvplayer.... , or why you need to use the "bloated" mplayer at all ;)

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@vision

while i can't speak for others, at least on my pegasos, i find dvplayer is my 'go to' video player so long as the file is supported. there are a couple of things i've noticed with dvplayer vs mplayer:

* dvplayer seems to use less CPU time to play the same video when compared with mplayer
* dvplayer seems to be rock-solid with respect to stability, which isn't something i can say about mplayer
* dvplayer has nice skins
* dvplayer is easier to use and is well documented
* dvplayer is written by stephen fellner, who is an all-around great guy

the advantages of mplayer, at least for me, are:

* mplayer supports nearly every format out there, which dvplayer doesn't
* mplayer offers far more flexibility with respect to settings

i do use both, but as i said, i much prefer dvplayer. for me the price was well worth it. and while that may not be true for everyone, i do suggest folks give it a try and see for themselves.

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@vision

My point is that some of us are willing to pay to encourage developers to devote more time to this platform. Call it "investment" into development of the platform/hobby.
If everyone wants everything for free, then you wont see full time vendors or developers on this platform.

That said, I think everyone is immensly grateful towards the developers that produce programs for free too.

And you might be thinking that "investment into this platform is madness!", but tbh the price thats been asked for on the latest games and utilities have been extremely low.
Basically pocketchange.

Take Broadblues's Sketchblock. Free, but hes now asking a measly 5 euros for his fractal addon. Pocketchange.

So, this is why some consider paying a few euros for the DVPlayer worthwhile. Its incentive for both the developer AND Amigakit to continue/strenghten their support for the platform.

@vision

See the last two posts, they sum it up nicely.

optimization? simple... DVPlayer is written on OS4, to run only on OS4 and get the best possible spped out of OS4. whereas mplayer is modified 'work on everything' code.

Have youn used DVPlayer or even OS4 for at a few hours, not just a few minutes at a show etc. ? A simple yes or no answer will do...

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It may be that your sole purpose is to serve as a warning to others.

Dvplayer is a great software, I really looks forward to a new version (it's about time).
The last posts explain very good why DvPlayer deserve support.

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DVPlayer is really worth the money, it's a quality product, nice looking, fast and works really well. When watching videos in AOS 4 DVPlayer is always the first choice because it is more pleasant to use and rockstable. You can absolutely tell that it was written for AOS 4.