Great demo, thanx for sharing it.

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So as nice as this is, to say 3D is new for the classic Amiga is a bit disingenuous given that the CyberVision 3D was released in, what, 1996? Then the CybervisionPPC in 1998. With two different 3D chips, Warp3D soon followed.

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That's interesting. So they are going above and beyond AMMX. Though as Karlos pointed out the Amiga already entered the 3d era and it was last century. It will need to plug into an Amiga to bring 3d to the Amiga. So it looks like A1200 only unless a V5 can hook up to an A500.

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new 3D era is ok because Maggy 3D Chip is available only for Vampire card, so software optmized for this chip will run only on Apollo products.
Warp3D is for any other Amiga 68k/PPC model.

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Ah...dedicated 3D ... who would have thunk it?
I remember the good old days when I stated for a fact that doing it all in the cpu was PS3-level hubris and was quickly banned for it...

Isn't Warp3D just an api?

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Warp3D, by which I mean the legacy variant, is a driver model with a simple API that provides simple methods for rendering primitives. I don't know how this evolved in the Nova variant, aside from supporting newer hardware and shader based methods.

Ironically I have found more modern OpenGL (and Vulkan for that matter) to be closer to these old APIs than OpenGL1/2 ever were.

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Warp3D Nova is a new API rather than an evolution. I think A-EON probably intended to enhance Warp3D when they bought into ownership but after releasing the Southern Islands driver it was decided to start again from scratch.

YES let's reinvent the wheel once again.

THANKS FOR WATCHING...
...four 1995-level flat textured surfaces being rendered at about 20fps for a few seconds.

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Nice progress!

Question is, will it utilise Warp3D? I know Payback 68k has a hardware 3D version, for instance.

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I think some of you are missing the point.
They are designing new 3D circuitry as part of the chipset.
They are on step 2, and OpenGL/Warp3D are like step 7.
I for one applaud this effort.

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It is really awesome that they continue to evolve the chipset.

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@agami

Warp3D is a proprietary API so creating a driver might not be so straightforward. It's also made of two components, the 3D driver and the corresponding graphics layer integration. Traditionally the latter dependents on either CGX or P96.

Given this, an API work-alike, such as Wazp may be a better choice.

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Wazp3D ?
Maggie3D dont seems to manage Zbuffer, blend functions, tex-env functions but just texturing with filtering and perpective : so for the moment it is just enough to implement OS4 Compositing not a full Warp3D

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YES let's reinvent the wheel once again. THANKS FOR WATCHING... ...four 1995-level flat textured surfaces being rendered at about 20fps for a few seconds.

This particular wheel was never actually invented. From the Virge chip on every attempt at adding 3D to the Amiga involved adding an entirely new display via RTG and then calling the 3D functions from an API.

This seems much more like the SNES Super FX chip, a set of functions implemented in hardware for rendering 3D in native graphics modes. Demos such as e.g. Lapsuus (as well as several by The Black Lotus) show what kind of 3D the Amiga can do with clever trickery. A proper Amiga 3D co-processor would simply eliminate the need for that trickery. Don't think of PS1 or PS2 3D as a goal but rather how games like Stunt Racer, World Circuit, Mid Winter, Hunter, Mid Winter, Zeewolf could be rendered with the types of lighting and texturing effects heretofore limited to non-interactive demos.
Or, more realistically, the quality of non-interactive demos which could be made without the need for the trickery.

I 'm curious if we'll ever see a modern 3D modeler for the Amiga, something with basic tools for retopology and UV mapping. Amiga 3D modelers weren't written for creating game assets and often encourage many bad practices. I often wonder how the models I see used in later Amiga demos were actually created.