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I think you don´t even believe yourself, but you try to convince yourself and all your blue partners that you can live without Amiga and it is not reference and holy grail.

Who knows, maybe even Hyperion are doing that at the current point: Debating if they can find a way (most likely through lawyers) to go _without_ Amiga Inc.

Tomorrow, we could hear that Troika might "try" without a license. If that works out and if Amiga Inc. can't do anything about it, this opens the door for many other possibilities, including Genesi hardware or 3rd party hardware based on the Open Pegasos.

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I think this isn´t happening before because the Friedens and Amiga hate BBRV with all their soul, and they have their reasons, so I kind of support them.

I don't think the Friedens "hate" bbrv. You might be talking about Hyperion. The Friedens are only doing their job as programmers and they surely hope that OS4 would run on as many PPC-platforms as possible. Hyperion on the other hand might be a bit cautious when dealing with bbrv, that's possible. But is this situation any different from their current relationship with Amiga Inc.? Is the latter relationship any better, after what we heard in the interview?
I think they would do anything to get their OS sold and to regain at least a part of their investments.

Last edited by polka. on 15-Sep-2006 at 09:17 PM.

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They know for totally sure that they will not BOOST sales until they cannot run OS4

Double negatives are tricky ;)

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The same goes for BBRV: They came because of Amiga

They came because of "community", because of potential and "fanaticaly" active userbase, which can try to show that it's alive, for potential sales and to show their partners at power.org that it is worthwhile to invest into power(pc) desktop (and similar) machines/chips. They are fighting for their own and PPC survival. Freescale has given up, IBM will soon give up too (they'll concentrate on their own markets). Genesi has put massive "power" to influence fixing bugs in MPC5200B that no one cares about in embeded market. BBRV for years told that rising tide will lift all boats, but OS4 community doesn't care and doesn't participate in Power future because of some stupid "Genesi is evil" and power.org is irrelevant plot.

Hell, this might be your own chance to get some long term things out of power.org members. But OS4 is doomed more and more, after looking at B.Mc (Donnald) answers[quote]

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"They know for totally sure that they will not BOOST sales until
they run OS4 and be (at least kind of) an official Amiga product."

Very interesting statement considering they sell 40-50 complete
ODW's per week. For a small company, selling an obscure plat-
form as the ODW, I really think those numbers are great. Re-
member that the ODW is a few years old..

The last weeks they have sold ODW's to IBM, Sun, Microsoft and
a whole bunch of universities and schools. It's a solid and complete
development platform. The EFIKA will be used in the same way for
embedded development and production.

I'm pretty sure it will sell like hot cakes once it's ready and selling
in single quantities.

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I think you don´t even believe yourself, but you try to convince yourself and all your blue partners that you can live without Amiga and it is not your reference and holy grail. But in the deepest part of your mind, your heart and your soul, YOU KNOW YOU CAN´T.

Maybe the most annoying feature in the Amiga community is that they think they are center of the universe.

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But they would certainly sell a lot more if one day they could achieve that, cause the Amiga community would buy them in huge amounts (I am speaking about probably +10.000 units).

There are only 2000-3000 Amiga users left who do not own an A1 or Peg. Many of those are not interested in neo Amiga and many of those have Amithlon or WinUAE. TroikaNG, Samantha or Peg/OS4 would/will sell only about max 100-200 units/year. You can compute how many boards each reseller must sell to get 200/y target.

To produce 10000+ units they probably dont have capital.

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Have a lot more developers creating programs and applications to make their machines become something interesting to buy.

There isnt such developer resource available. Only existing software and their developer, like AmigaAMP developer perhaps. Potential developers coming outside of this community dont know how to code for Amiga.

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I think this isn´t happening before because Eyetech and Amiga hate BBRV with all their soul (and they have their reasons, so I kind of support them).

Yep, Eyetech selling mA1 without AmigaOne license was big mistake and we know what happened to Eyetech

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