Did you read this? Or this?

http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2008/01/read-all-about-it.html

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Darth_X wrote: Did you read this?

Did you notice the date of the letter?

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4 October 2008

So I'd say it's a bit too early for a judgement. ;)

But personally I am only interested in desktop computing.

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yeah, I guess its supposed to happen in the future ;)

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Maybe new PPC chips can create time-traveling worm-holes?

But I bet that's just a stupid typo.

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Maybe new PPC chips can create time-traveling worm-holes?

I guess we should wait for SpaceDruid's opinion on this matter.

@thread

Hmm... Although this is good news, I wonder why it has been posted publicly before the contract has even been signed.

@Darth_X
The letter from them to Genesi is interesting, although the numbers listed for Freescale CPU purchases has nothing to do with Genesi, AFAIK. It's sort of curious they don't mind personal notes being published by BBRV, but *shrug*

That doesn't immediately do anything for MOS, although if LimePC takes off (or some other project giving them some $), it might make Genesi some $..but that _seems_ to be in the relatively far future, as it mentions joint tech ventures, which it seems to be the case that does NOT apply to LimePC and the other listed off Lime* products? That could mean years...but still, $.

Is there some connection between them and Genesi on the _existing_ products?

And of course, the mention of merging companies at some point is also interesting, were it to come to happen, as well as the company making money.

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@thread

It was just a typo. It should be dated 2007, but in any case it was a simple the Letter of Intent. The final agreement was much more comprehensive. It was also signed.

We will be posting more information and details in the weeks ahead.

Ideally, MorphOS, AROS and OS4 will all support the hardware. We will see in time.

R&B

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This definitely qualifies some pom-poms!

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Darth_X wrote: Did you read this? Or this? http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2008/01/read-all-about-it.html

Yes...

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bbrv wrote: @thread It was just a typo. It should be dated 2007, but in any case it was a simple the Letter of Intent. The final agreement was much more comprehensive. It was also signed. We will be posting more information and details in the weeks ahead. Ideally, MorphOS, AROS and OS4 will all support the hardware. We will see in time. R&B

Congrats. Now please get the MorphOS guys to finish Morph for Efika! If OS4 on SAM beats you to market that will be pretty darn sad given the state of things. And at this pace it may happen.

Again congrats on the deal. Its nice to see REAL business and REAL progress going on with someone!

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We don't know the specific development agreements yet between Genesi and LimePC. The 10% is on the final product, or component products (hardware, software, etc.). Is it on the retail, wholesale, sub-portion?
It is an exclusive contract? It's solely contingent upon meeting sales quantity estimates and hardware release dates?

We don't really know the net dollar amount, if any, that will be made. The more important aspect is how well the companies and money are managed.
Look at how much money was poured into AmigaInc., and more so how much money Commodore made, and went bust. One of the reasons Hyperion is fantastic is that they have maintained operations at defecit on OS4 without cheating people out of money for an undeliverable product.

It looks like a good opportunity for Genesi, so I hope it works well. But I don't know if they ever paid their past invoices.

As far as there only being the two serious desktop systems of Windows and Macintosh, there used to be more, and there can be again. Especially with the distinct differences between Amiga and the others. Who knows, maybe we'll move to UMPC like LimePCs and then plug into a docking station for a desktop.

I agree with your repeated statements that MorphOS, or AmigaOS, or whatever is fine as long as the user is happy. I just wish that more people would have taken responsibility to choose a computer instead of getting what someone else told them to. I've learned that is unfortunately the case with most product categories, so some of the worst ones become the most popular.

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Hyperion is fantastic

At least three core developers would disagree with you. They did sue Hyperion.

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But I don't know if they ever paid their past invoices.

Can I call you hypocrite?

Did AI paid Bolton off? Did Hyperion paid all developers? And please, don't pull morphos.net, it's old joke.

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At least three core developers would disagree with you. They did sue Hyperion.

I didn't know about that. Were they promised to be paid without contingency to the AmigaInc. contract?


I do know that AmigaInc. stole people's time and money, including my $50 :)

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It's really a joke?

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The Friedens and Andrea has sued Hyperion.

Talk about the real core of AmigaOS 4.0!

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At least three core developers would disagree with you. They did sue Hyperion.

Ehm, I see this is now being interpreted by some as the Friedens/Andrea having something against Hyperion. FYI the EU case is about these developers asking for a declaratory judgement on their rights to their source code, something which Hyperion have always acknowledged, as it's clearly shown from the US court documents.

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We don't know the specific development agreements yet between Genesi and LimePC... ... ... ...

Indeed the details of the final deal is not known, it could be worse or it could be better (the latter is more probable) but discussing details was not the point of that post of mine (and in my other posts in that same thread BTW), it was about exemplifying a real commercial market, the business model, and the kind of opportunities Genesi is searching for. Put this in contrast to people operating solely on the Amiga Community "market" (which is no market).

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Look at how much money was poured into AmigaInc

After a quick search I found this quote (for some laughs, try replacing "the MorphOS team" with "Hyperion" and you will have a statement from Ben Hermans about the *current* situation ):

Ben Hermans (late 2001): "The failure of Amiga Inc and the MorphOS team to come to terms is in part due to the fact that Amiga wants to assert their ownership and intellectual property rights over the Amiga OS (for which they paid 4.5 M USD) whilst the MorphOS team happily continues to refute those claims"

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FYI the EU case is about these developers asking for a declaratory judgement on their rights to their source code

Thanks Cobra, that sounds different than the earlier insinuation. Does anyone have links to where I can read about that case?

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FYI the EU case is about these developers asking for a declaratory judgement on their rights to their source code, something which Hyperion have always acknowledged,

Well, that is a lovely theory. However, one does not, in general, sue one's business partner to obtain a declaratory judgement on an issue on which complete agreement exists between the business partners.

Judge: "So why are we here today?"
Developers: "We want it declared that we own the code we wrote"
Judge (turning to Evert): "So you are the defendant. What makes you believe the code is not owned by the respective plaintiffs?"
Evert: "Nothing. We agree with the plaintiffs"
Judge: "So, WHY are we here today?"

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Well, that is a lovely theory.

It's evident from the Washington court docs that Hyperion acknowledges their rights, it's written there plain and simple. Besides I know these developers in person, so I think it's not me who is making theories Sorry to spoil the fun for those anti-Hyperion or anti-OS4 folks who find enjoyment in entertaining such ideas, it's off-topic here anyway.