@elwood

>> I know nothing

> Exactly!

Just like you and everybody else.

And now what? Should Ikir give us the raindance?

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@Oppressor

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They signed stupid contracts already, so what makes you believe they couldn't be stupid enough for that?

Thanks, I certainly appreciate comments like this.

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@Oppressor

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I know nothing, I'm evaluating what's available and what people say.

I am glad you at least admit that, because it just shows that you are talking out of your backside.

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There is no hardware to run OS4 on, Amiga Inc. says nothing, and Hyperion lament about their inability to change the situation.

Says who? You?

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@elwood

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elwood wrote: @TheDungeonDelver If you want Mozilla/OOo/hardware more than you want OS4/Amiga hardware, feel free to look outside the Amiga world.

Could you remind us what an Operating System is for ? I always thought that it was meant to manage the hardware and allow applications to run on top of it.

The web browser is the most used application in the world, an office suite is probably in the top 5 application for billions of human beings, and of course an OS without hardware is called a spec or an experiment, not a product.

Being able to launch OS4 on real hardware for sale in a real shop so as to operate real applications like checking an address on google maps (browser) or opening the powerpoint file your mother sent you (office suite) is a basic requirement for any user even thinking remotely of paying for an OS.

Telling potential users to go away isn't going to improve the current situation of AOS4. I have the same list of requirements as TheDungeonDelver, I will even add that i want a laptop and not a desktop, who wants a desktop as a main machine in a world where mobility has made computing so much more fun? I want to use this OS to fit the multimedia oriented AOS3 end-user I once was, if this OS does not allow me to be creative and do 2006 multimedia things on a fun platform (multimedia without taking the web into account today would be simply ridiculous), then don't talk about it as being the amiga world, at least it is not the amiga world ex-users who are probably the only potential target for AOS4 are longing for.

@elwood

Thanks a lot for your help on the translations

Only a question, how is progressing IBrowse 2.4 ?

@all

It seems that some news about Amizilla will come soon, follow the mailing list, in particular the last Ants' Update

P.S.
Someone could compile GLib 2.6.6 for 68k ?

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@Rogue
I have to agree with Oppressor - how can the contract be anything but stupid, when we have no new hardware, no possibility in using existing PPC hardware, and Amiga Inc appears to have lost interest in OS4 (and everything else really)? Certainly all the known facts seem to fit with the claimed copy of the contract that was released, for which certain clauses could well be described (with the hindsight of an adversarial Amiga Inc) as "stupid".

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@Rogue

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There is no hardware to run OS4 on, Amiga Inc. says nothing, and Hyperion lament about their inability to change the situation.

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Says who? You?

To be fair this is the situation as we see it. That view is not wrong in any way. If someone wants to prove otherwise then please, please go ahead. At the end of the day all we want is OS4 on new hardware.

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@ChaosLord who said Quote:

The Amiga scene needs more people ... who do actual work to make Amiga better! We need less whining useless malcontents.

Who says that some of the people complaining AREN'T active developers?

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@elwood

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elwood wrote: @TheDungeonDelver If you want Mozilla/OOo/hardware more than you want OS4/Amiga hardware, feel free to look outside the Amiga world. I already have a fast browser, a coming hardware and I don't need a several MBs huge office suite. CygnusED is already enough for me.

Fast browser? Boy, Lynx is a fast browser. Doesn't make it worth a damn. Now let's consider the part of your statement where you go "if you want...hardware more than you want...hardware"

That doesn't even parse. What kind of a head injury do you have to have to not recognize the dire, dire straits the Amiga is in regarding hardware? You've got an installed userbase somewhere in the 1700's, with maybe another thousand or two with systems to spec to run OS4 (but can't, because Hyperion can't/won't release OS4 for "classic" for OS4). Little man, even for a hobby OS that's pathetic. There's probably more people with Sam Coupe' systems up and running than that. But because I want to see that userbase get back on it's feet, and I call for the hardware for it to happen, and killer apps to draw people back to the Amiga once the hardware is there, I need to go away.

Uh-huh.

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@samo79

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Only a question, how is progressing IBrowse 2.4 ?

I can't say anything. The IB team already did some comments on that.

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@corwin

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opening the powerpoint file your mother sent you

Richard Stallman idea on this

@corwin and TDD
Ok you don't like the situation and want more software but what do you do to change it?

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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: @Rogue I have to agree with Oppressor - how can the contract be anything but stupid, when we have no new hardware, no possibility in using existing PPC hardware, and Amiga Inc appears to have lost interest in OS4 (and everything else really)? Certainly all the known facts seem to fit with the claimed copy of the contract that was released, for which certain clauses could well be described (with the hindsight of an adversarial Amiga Inc) as "stupid".

Please, better concentrate your energies in finish your E compiler and stop the political discussions

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@ChaosLord

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We need less whining useless malcontents.

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The Amiga scene needs more people like Elwood!

No. What it needs is hardware.

Without that it's just going to die.

I want to support the Amiga but my old A4000/060 is long dead. So until I have new hardware I can do nothing to aid the Amiga.

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@Rogue

>> They signed stupid contracts already, so what makes you believe they couldn't be stupid enough for that?

> Thanks, I certainly appreciate comments like this.

Ok, but no need to thank me, I'm not writing comments to please you. That would we just coincidence. You have every right to remain silent if you have nothing to contribute.

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@-Sam-

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-Sam- wrote: @ChaosLord Quote: We need less whining useless malcontents. Quote: The Amiga scene needs more people like Elwood! No. What it needs is hardware. Without that it's just going to die.

And with hardware but without people "like Elwood" it will die aswell.Hardware will come soon or later but people "like elwood" are jewels to preserve

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@elwood

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Ok you don't like the situation and want more software but what do you do to change it?

Without available hardware or an available operating system, and everyone involved in the process of making those things happen unable or unwilling to say anything about the progress (for whatever reason), what is a person without an AmigaOne + OS4 actually able to do?

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@Gleng

Very simple. Develop useful software for AmigaOS, no matter what version you own, and take OS4 in the foresight. If people are interested, there WILL be ways to get your software towards OS4. Maybe this will include affordable hardware in a short time, too. Even if this won't be the case in very short terms, you will raise the pressure on all people involved in the OS4/Hardware discussion without complaining or whining. There are even ways to develop software without owning a A1/OS4. Time for teamwork, isn't it?

Greetz

@elwood

If I cared about Richard Stallman's ideas, I woudn't even consider AOS4 for a second because it's an ultra-proprietary non standard software. Can you explain me how you will open an ODF file on the amiga without Oo? This time Stallman's quotes won't work...

What do we do to change the software situation for the amiga? Excuse me but don't expect consumers to also provide the software for this platform, it's a proprietary platform, way more proprietary than Windows since you are also forced to buy custom hardware from the same source, people pay for the OS and the software, that's why they are called "consumers" and not "open-source contribuitors".

People that will buy AOS4 will pay a premium for that and will have to pay for expensive extra hardware they don't need, just to be able to play with AOS4 they agree to buy sub-standard obsolete hardware and you think that this money is not enough help?

@Fransexy

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And with hardware but without people "like Elwood" it will die aswell.Hardware will come soon or later but people "like elwood" are jewels to preserve

Yes people are important but the Amiga cannot grow if you can't actually buy them.

How long will it be before OS4 starts to look out-dated? Vista arrives soon. Moving onto a situation where OS4 can be purchased is a huge and vital step forward.

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@Gleng

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what is a person without an AmigaOne + OS4 actually able to do

Good question. You can use your Classic to:
- write documentation for software
- translate software
- test 68k software
-write 68k software

These 68k software will work directly on OS4 or at least will be portable to OS4.
The port can be done by you when you get hardware or by someone else. In this last case, I really hope coders without A1 will work with A1 coders. One cooperation scheme could be the 68k owner do the enhancements, the A1 ower do the port to OS4.
The time where one man could do everything is (almost) over. If we want bigger/cooler apps, coders need to work together.

@whose

LOL. I didn't read your comment.

@-Sam-
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Moving onto a situation where OS4 can be purchased is a huge and vital step forward.

If I wasn't sure hardware is coming, I wouldn't waste my time talking here :-/

@corwin

It seems you are a Mozilla fanatic before being an Amiga fanatic

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Can you explain me how you will open an ODF file on the amiga without Oo

I never seen a .odf but to read a .odt (which should be very similar), one can write a wrapper. This should be relatively easy to do as it's just an XML file.
(at least it's far easier to parse than a Word document)

Another answer :
In my job, I never seen an ODT/F file so they doesn't seem to be so "used everywhere" like some people try to make us think.
Also some time to time users in my job receive a .eps (Postscript) or a .psd (Photoshop). What should we do? To buy a software each time someone sends such file to us? No we ask our contact to send it again in another format.
So I don't think at all OOo is the crucial software you have to have.

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Excuse me but don't expect consumers to also provide the software for this platform

If all Linux consumers were like you, there wouldn't be Linux anymore.
Of course you are not forced to make somehing for the platform. I just say *if* you can and you really like the platform, do something for it.

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will have to pay for expensive extra hardware they don't need

Hum, they need it to run OS4.

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