Okay for all those that didnt seem to get a chance to read the first
thread here is what went down.

I like Amiga, I have been a user since the start and still feel I am.
I know I was a #### at times, but I NEVER have been on a "side"
MikeB can back me up I am sure from the talks we had and how I was at
Amiwest last year.

I decided after knowing Mai was all but dead I wanted to see AmigaOS
do well and have a chance I feel (that me, not to flame or war, just
me) that Mai is not the place for it to have a chance. Since I did
REAL well from stock sales from Apple I had a lot of cash I could play
with. I asked Rogue how to get a port made in a mail. I wanted a
serious route to follow and a price. He said it would be about $15,000
so thats what I started with being prepaired to give them to do the
work.

Before anything could be done I had to talk to Amiga Inc. and get a
license. I looked into that and didnt feel that was true because I am
not wanting to sell or disribute any Amiga products, just get a port
from the people Amiga Inc has contracted and put it on hardware I want
to see it on, not sell. In any case they told me they cant do ANYTHING
before Amiga inc gets me a license.

So after talking to a legal professional I drew up a plan based on the
law and sent them an email. What that plan was after talkig to a lot
of people I wont say. Its not right to do so and this isnt the place
for that. I wil say it was fair being that Amiga Inc got money from me
in the form of a donation since legaly an end user being forced to pay
for something that will make the company paid even more money is not
legal in US busines law. The problem was before that plan was
finalised and sent Amiga Inc beeded to respond to me. They never did
even though I sent three emails, left several mesages on the phone and
sent a letter to them.

After all that I decided today I have had enough. If a company does
not want to earn money through a very good deal then I dont know what
they are up to. Here is what would have worked out in the end.

1. Hyperion gets money to port Od4 to the Pegasos when OS4 is final
and on sale. NOT BEFORE.

2. OS4 license fee is paid to Amiga Inc. at the same time? $0 overhead
for hardware building since another company does all the work.

3. OS4 Pegasos edition is done and people go buy it for $100-$150
depending on how Hyperion decide to sell it. They make money from the
sale depending on the deall they have, Amiga Inc. also makes 100% no
investment return on it as well.


Genesi, BBRV, or anyone else had nothing to do with this. It was me
and me alone. I hope that clears things up for all that didnt get it.
Basicly I wanted to see AmigaOS continue on even though I do like
MorphOS better currently.

Perhaps you should have a word with AHT (Senex), since they successfully managed to have unsuccessful negotiations with AI. It would be a shame to waste the time you've already invested in this just because those you are trying to make a deal with are dumbasses with all the business sense of an overcooked chip.

@Acill

I really don't see how you expected this thing to work?

The liscence scheme (originally as I've heard it) isn't mainly to make $. On the contrary, initially I can't see any profits being made at all, administering royalties of a few dollars each from a maximum of a few thousand units wouldn't pay a janitors wages.

Instead the liscence agreement had more to do with quality assurance which is hardly something an outsider could guarantee.



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Basicly I wanted to see AmigaOS continue on even though I do like MorphOS better currently.

I really don't see how this relates? Do you mean MorphOS is better than OS4 because it runs on a Pegasos?

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@SOFISTISOFTWARE

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Have you tried to contact Hyperion ? They are AmigaOS !! Not Amiga, inc.

You need licenses from BOTH companies, not only Hyperion. Yes, Amiga Inc. is still involved, though it's disappointing they never responded to this guy. It would have been nice to at least get a "no" answer with an explanation as to why.

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@Steff

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Instead the liscence agreement had more to do with quality assurance which is hardly something an outsider could guarantee.

Should I laugh or cry?


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I really don't see how this relates? Do you mean MorphOS is better than OS4 because it runs on a Pegasos?

It doesn't relate, he gave his personal preference. Liking MorphOS doesn't automatically mean disliking AmigaOS4.

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@Acill

I really hope you dont give up just yet..
I am one of those who really would like to see OS4 ported as well.

@Rogue

Wouldn't Hyperion be in a better position to help Acill get a deal
going with Amiga Inc.

@AMiGR

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Should I laugh or cry?

I'll let you choose.

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It doesn't relate, he gave his personal preference. Liking MorphOS doesn't automatically mean disliking AmigaOS4.

Never said he didn't like OS4! He even gives it a mentionQuote:

I like Amiga,

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@thread

Let's keep this from having anything to do with 'MOS vs AOS4' please.

Acill- sorry it didn't work out, maybe there's still some hope...a response would of course been nice to see from AInc, regardless of what it was..

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Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

It just goes to show what good people there are in this community.

For that amount of time and money, the least you could have expected was a full response. There are obviously people working for Amiga inc, but what they do for their money and position is a mystery and when something like this happens, it really makes you wonder.

Hyperion make responses on this forum to even the most minor post. Amiga Inc apparently are unwilling to respond to someone who is effectively donating $15k of their hard earned money to further the Amiga cause.

That is pathetic and an insult to Hyperion's good work.

Thanks for trying.
Chris

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Hi Acill,


While $15,000 is quite a bit of money, it's not much, when the idea is to buy a port of SW.

The sale of Eyetech's machines would drop to zero. This WILL bankrupt them. I don't see any benefit to that at all.

Especially since they went out on a huge limb for us, as much grief as they've given us, I don't think they deserve this, so, at least I can wait even more time to see what happens.......


Please Eyetech, we need those 20 answers, even if the timeframes are hazey for the XC's introduction!!!!!

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It would have been nice to at least get a "no" answer with an explanation as to why.

Acill stated he would publically reproduce a negative response if he received one. Not a good way to start negotations I would say. I think he needs to partner with someone with an established connection to Amiga Inc. before they will ever take him seriously now.

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@Atheist

That's the estimated amount of money needed for a port Atheist, that's the amount of money Hyperion needs to do it. The point is how much extra Amiga Inc wanted for the licence.

About the XC, it depends on what chipset it uses. If it's using the ArticiaP, don't hold your breath at all and I'm not joking nor trolling and also not spreading FUD.

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@ssolie

Eh, sollie, he said that he will publicize the outcome, he never said that he will publicize an email from Hare without permission.

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Exactly, I wouldnt have made public the contents, just what they said.
For now its over and I didnt care what happened to Eyetech. This isnt
a chairiety people. Busines is survival of the strongest. If Eyetech
couldnt keep up then they are out, its the nature of the best is all.

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@Acill

So in the end, the result would be that you would have taken away the original hardware supplier and made sure Genesi had sole reign over the OS4 hardware base. Not very good imho.

But atleast you should have received a reply.

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@Step

Turn it into what you will, but if Mai doesnt get on track OS4 wont
have ANY hardware to run on but classic Amigas and the mystery
machine. I was attempting to ring a good stable board to all of you.
Thats it. Dont turn it into a mess here too okay?

@Acill

Well the only thing that MAI going tits up can effect is the supply of ArticiaS northbridge, and thats only if the stocks of them are so low.

As has been said in myriad Amiga tradeshows, the design of the AmigaONE and its Teron prototypes is done by a third party anyway, the production is done in the far east. Its not as if the design is suddenly going to pop out of existense.

Besides I think this is great news, now we can complete the death star and quash those annoying sand-farmer rebel boys on Tattooine.

Ive already got a stable board thanks, and I'd prefer a momentum G5, e.g. something actually better than what I have got.

( edit - garrgh spelling mistakes, grammer, time to go back to bed )

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@Acill

This looks VERY public to me, very public indeed!

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I think the Pegasos is a good Hardware, made in Germany not China,

Racism, IMHO.

Arrgh bad edit, BED for me.

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