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The claims by Genesi that they've already won the case.

Thanks for the clarification.

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The_Editor wrote: I agree. So it is written ........... So it shall be done !!

Editor you'v been watching too much Recess on TV haven't you.

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When OS4 comes out, Morphos will fade away as far as the Amiga scene is concerned.
The only people buying into Genesi are those who stayed in the community and took that particular point of view/course of action.
When people return after a long absence they first ask - Is Amiga still going?
then
Is new stuff coming out?
If the answer to this question is 'Yes, but it's an Amiga compatable called Pegasos" - they go away.
If the answer is "Yes, An Amiga is coming out called AmigaOne, based on PPC and will run OS4" - Their eyes light up and they stick around.

All IMO I might add !

@gary_c et al
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It's quite evident that the person in question was acting in a juvenile and hostile way, but if saying so is considered a "personal attack" here, then I shouldn't have stated his name.

I've personally encountered many people like this in my travels; both in person and otherwise. They are very in-your-face personalities. Whether their behaviour is acceptable in our public forums is up for debate but, like it or not, these people are just people. Who knows? Maybe there is an 11 year old boy behind that email address. Or more likely, a passionate, male, Amiga user in his 30s with plenty of disposable income and too much time on his hands waiting for new products.

Something else to think about. From the various personality classification schemes I've participated in I've discovered that almost all of my co-workers and fellow computer users are strong judgemental introverts. Email is an anonymous release for many of us. Don't read too much into their comments and behaviour when online. They may be just a docile, pleasant person in real life. Without email, they would never express their other side so it could be argued to be a healthy release--not always civil.

I do think AmigaWorld.net should tolerate behavioural discussion at a certain level of abstraction. It is a fine line.

Besides, with my dark humour, I found the discussion on ANN quite amusing with everyone showing their true colours. Saves hundreds on professional therapy for everyone involved.

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Without email, they would never express their other side so it could be argued to be a healthy release--not always civil.

So what you're saying is, the nastier the troll, the bigger the odds he would've gone postal if he didn't have access to email?

I guess it makes sense... reading some people's comments makes one wonder if they'd just been dumped by their dates on the way to the prom. There's a lot of nasty vibes out there, and if people can release them by behaving like a jackass online, I guess it's better than the alternative.

@colin_camper,

And your opinion is a very fine one too!
Amiga has always had a strong hand,
just one not played too well.

It's amazing that the underdog, Genesi,
has gotten this far, but now, with Amiga, Inc.
in some kind of financial condition, and Genesi
in a stronger one. I don't know whose the underdog now.

Personally, I can see things that each side could
do to knock the other one out, but I'm not king
of the universe yet...nor do I find myself even being
passionate enough to try and make any difference. I'm not wishy washy, but such is the state of the market, today. Reason being, I'm not going to promote a $800 motherboard to anyone, the industry has moved past such pricing, permanently, imho....and I'm also not going to promote MorphOS, until its more compelling.

Genesi, really doesn't understand the web...sorry I know they think of it as a strongpoint...., and for Amiga, well, they put themselves in a straightjacket with past choices....so, like you said, its just a waiting game for OS 4 at the moment.

But lots more interesting stuff to come!
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing both be a
success.....but especially OS 4.

*edit*

by the way: Anyone read Barabasi's book
Linked: The New Science of Networks

Read it, its like the fountainhead, or the Prince...
an influential book...

then the net becomes so clear

Good day to all of you. I decided post here in order to thank those of you who seem to understand what I posted even if my tone was somewhat over-the-top. Cheers guys.

I should also point out (especially to those who claim to have read the thread on ANN and still think that I was the one fueling the flames that they should read me inital post. All I did was speak up and voice an alternative opinion to Rich Woods. I was neither insulting or offensive in this inital post.

Then Bill Hoggett decided to go on the attack (but not to my face, by rather in reply to someone else) with this statement:

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"I don't know what he's doing here though. There's a whole "Amiga community portal" for people like him."

(Note the quick stab at AmigaWorld.net)

and then Chris Kemp wades in with the following quotes:

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"Overall, you sound like a child"

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"So you got your own opinion, fine. This doesn't mean you always need to share it. Make some useful contribution, or do everyone a favour and keep quiet."

Which I translated to: "We only want to hear negative things against Amiga Inc here on ANN so bugger off or STFU".

I then decided to tell Bill directly what I think of him (well, he did ask for it) and also inform Chris Kemp of what I thought of his statement. I feel perfectly justified in doing so and the tone in which I did so simply reflects the way I've been spoken to by Bill and others in the past.

I'll make this very clear so that even Gary_C (who also likes to go out of his way to attack my views) can understand - talk nicely to me and I'll talk nicely back, but verbally abuse me and expect the same in return. I don't "turn the other cheek", I believe in "an eye for an eye".

Rich Woods then chimes in with:

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"I'm getting the feeling they like to come to ANN where free posting is allowed - distrupt a thread and throw it off the track. "

and all I'd done at this point was disagree with his views!!! So saying "I disagree" is "disrupting a thread" and "throwing it off track"? Give me a break!

My reply to Rich Woods (Comment 23) was also polite at this stage.

Chris comes back with some self-pitying "I'm just a poor maderator and everyone hates me" rebuff and claims I took his remark the wrong way. I say "fair enough" and appologise if this is really the case.

I have a joke with Hooligan/DCS and then get blasted for that.

Gregg (who is a size 10 tosser and coward) then calls me an "ass".

Hoggett then calls me a liar and attacks the moral fiber of me and all other Amiga Inc supporters

EyeAm comes in expressing the same views as me and is attacked and told he is banned from Rich's website (because he's pro-Amiga Inc).

Rich then starts getting rather personal and I decide to stick a crowbar between his cracks and see what's inside... and it's not a pretty sight.

So, don't blame me for the tone that thread degenerated into. All I did was express my opionion and then a couple of people decided that as I was not going to play the "Kill Bill (McEwan)" game then I was not welcome.

I'm also quite sick of seeing on ANN that news of Fleecy's Q&A every couple of weeks is not welcome and considered not newsworthy whereas a post from Rich Woods every day is "news". Also, Woods claims to be posting "facts", but then weaves his own theories and speculation in with them in order to make is look even worse for Amiga Inc. His constant referals to Bill McEwan as "Billieboy" totally unedrmine his self proclaimed position as a professional who is trying to defend us poor uneducated saps from purchasing an AmigaOne because we don't know any better. Anyone want to poit out where I've ever referred to Bill Buck as "Billyboy" except for the one time when he tried to claim on ANN that I was participating in pornographic newssite and called me a pervert? ( It was actually a newssite devoted to obsolete computers).

Anyway, hopefully I'm still welcome here. I'll try to be good

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@ Ssolie

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I've personally encountered many people like this in my travels; both in person and otherwise. They are very in-your-face personalities. Whether their behaviour is acceptable in our public forums is up for debate but, like it or not, these people are just people. Who knows? Maybe there is an 11 year old boy behind that email address. Or more likely, a passionate, male, Amiga user in his 30s with plenty of disposable income and too much time on his hands waiting for new products.

I'm in my 30's with plenty of disposable income and too much time on my hands waiting for new products.

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Something else to think about. From the various personality classification schemes I've participated in I've discovered that almost all of my co-workers and fellow computer users are strong judgemental introverts. Email is an anonymous release for many of us. Don't read too much into their comments and behaviour when online. They may be just a docile, pleasant person in real life. Without email, they would never express their other side so it could be argued to be a healthy release--not always civil.

I'm actually an extrovert, but very pleasant and civil in real life and I REALLY hate bad manners. What winds me up are the cowards that feel happy to slag me off online, but wouldn't dare say "boo" to me to my face. I never say anything in my posts that I wouldn't say to someone if they were infront of me. I wish others would follow this golden rule too.

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I do think AmigaWorld.net should tolerate behavioural discussion at a certain level of abstraction. It is a fine line.

Which is why the poor moderators on all sites get slammed on a regular basis.

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Besides, with my dark humour, I found the discussion on ANN quite amusing with everyone showing their true colours.

and that was one of my reasons for provoking certain parties... interesting to watch, isn't it?

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Saves hundreds on professional therapy for everyone involved.

There's always Prozac or else try strangling a puppy with your bare hands (fluffy, big-eyed ones are best).

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And suddenly the crap is flowing all over the place ..

/Björn

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Orgin wrote: And suddenly the crap is flowing all over the place .. /Björn

Care to point it out?

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and with that challenge issued, Bjorn logs off and hides...

What a surprise.

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Sure you're welcome here Darrin but since I never go to ANN anymore just to avoid meaningless discussions like the one you reviewed above I would appreciate it if you left this one back on ANN!

If I should (against all good judgement) decide I needed to find out what the commotion is about I guess I could always take a peek and read the thread.

Having "been there and done that" I'm sure it's not all your fault but since I don't make any judgements from isolated excerpts from posts (especially those from ANN) your reputation is fine with me (as long as you don't lose it here at AW)

Thx for the short review but excuse me if I'm not any the wiser for it.

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@ Steff,

That's OK. Trust me, you're not missing much.

The sad thing is, it just started out as me making a post that said "I disagree"... and then all hell broke loose...

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I should also point out (especially to those who claim to have read the thread on ANN and still think that I was the one fueling the flames that they should read me inital post. All I did was speak up and voice an alternative opinion to Rich Woods. I was neither insulting or offensive in this inital post.

Well I think you were somewhat provocative, here are a few quotes from your first posting:

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Why do you just admit you haven't got a clue and try to refrain from overtaxing that miniscule lump of gray matter that's busy playing "Peg-Pong" between your ears.

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Yawn.

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Bzzzzt!!! Wrong answer. He 's just doing his job. Stick to the facts "Richieboy" instead of letting your own, petty vindictiveness shine through.

Not what I'd describe as "neither insulting or offensive". Whereas Rich's post that you replied to commented only on the topic, and made no personal attacks against you or anyone else.

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So, don't blame me for the tone that thread degenerated into. All I did was express my opionion and then a couple of people decided that as I was not going to play the "Kill Bill (McEwan)" game then I was not welcome.

On every thread on ANN that is related to Amiga Inc's adventures in the courtroom we get some red-troll on ANN that posts 40% of the messages in the thread with personal attacks (like your's I quoted) that attempts to divert the discussion away from the topic. Interestingly enough "trolling" is frowned upon here at AmigaWorld.net, but its chief supporters and sometimes some of its admin regularly use ANN to post the kind of things that they themselves condemn on this site.

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The sad thing is, it just started out as me making a post that said "I disagree"... and then all hell broke loose...

You didn't say the words "I disagree" once in your first post, what you actually said (amongst other things), was:

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Why do you just admit you haven't got a clue and try to refrain from overtaxing that miniscule lump of gray matter that's busy playing "Peg-Pong" between your ears.

Hmmmm...

How did all this start though - I mean why is Rich Woods persuing his agenda? - what caused him to have that agenda.. what ever that agenda is? I'm just confused as to why any one would take the time to get so angry and persue a court case which you are not directly party too.

Does he have a page up exposing Genesi's underhandedness?

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@ Smithy:

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On every thread on ANN that is related to Amiga Inc's adventures in the courtroom we get some red-troll on ANN that posts 40% of the messages in the thread with personal attacks (like your's I quoted) that attempts to divert the discussion away from the topic. Interestingly enough "trolling" is frowned upon here at AmigaWorld.net, but its chief supporters and sometimes some of its admin regularly use ANN to post the kind of things that they themselves condemn on this site.

Nice try mate, but try reading my whole post in the context it was posted. Try and look for the winks and smiles and note that the overall tone was lightheaded incude in thus of Bill Buck's famour "PegPong" joke.

Now, just to show you're full of BS, as of now there are 175 posts in that thread. I made 22 posts. Now I realise that you may have had a pretty poor education, but that's far short of 40%. Please do me a favour and learn to count before you quote percentages.

You even managed a whopping 6 posts to do nothing but defend and suck up to Rich Woods. Awwww... has little Annie found himself a new Obi-Wan? How sweet.

And just incase you're wondering (and incapable of counting without your fingers), Rich managed to post 42 posts in order to attack Amiga Inc and anybody who dared defend them.

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How did all this start though - I mean why is Rich Woods persuing his agenda? - what caused him to have that agenda.. what ever that agenda is? I'm just confused as to why any one would take the time to get so angry and persue a court case which you are not directly party too.

That's what I'd like to know. His rabbid pursuit of Amiga Inc makes little sense, and I don't buy his arguement that he's just trying to protect us poor people how might do business with them because we don't know any better.

What really bugs me is that he KNOWS that Amiga Inc are not going to post anything on ANN to defend themselves as they're probably under orders from their lawyer to say nothing unless it's in court.

Now I'm a bit of a sucker for the "underdog" (I support Swansea City AFC), so I can't help but speak up in their defence every now an then. It's a weakness of mine...

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Does he have a page up exposing Genesi's underhandedness?

Absolutely not. So who do you think might be directing Rich's efforts or stroking his ego so he maintains his crusade?

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