@pixie et al


Why the Dell Not?!

Just dropped back in to make that point. There will be opportunity. We hope there will be a new Amiga and better than it ever was. What will that make the past and the unsuccessful when that happens?

What does "Amiga" have to offer? There is a community. Preserve this!

Best regards,
R&B

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@bbrv

So when finally you will stop spamming with your blog? I am sure the really interested to read it persons, know how to find it already!

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bbrv's blog: Raquel and Bill said... Hi Hollis, this is about digital distribution. When hardware changes the rules change. Content is driving that change in the same way we went from black & white to color TV, but in a fraction of the time (how about that iPod?!). Apple is trying to do that now with Intel. The end user device is the key. We thought this was about the 32 to 64-bit transition (thinking back to the market-player changes from 8 to 16-bit). We don't think that is it any more. We think the hardware changes that will redefine the industry are related to establishing Device ID - necessary for security, DRM and actually privacy too (another discussion) - in other words the need to make a computer like a cell phone with built in authentication, authorization and accounting (billing) features. If you believe this, then the ISA could be a means to many ends. If we read up on the CELL Patent (# 6,809,734), CELL technology is just NOT about the CPU. The CELL technology is a combination of CPU design, network management and how the software is organized and transmitted in a "CELL" (as in a package) of applications and data. CELL is actually an inclusive strategy that combines everything 32-bit with everything 64-bit and turns everything out there already (e.g. embedded) into a sum much greater that the parts. Today and increasingly in the future, broadband networks allow both data and application to travel between users. If all members of a computer network, that is, all computers and computing devices on the network, are constructed from a common computing module then we have a totally pervasive solution - everyone can get everything, everywhere. The CELL objective is that this common computing module has a consistent structure and will employ the same ISA. This means that the members of the Power.org network, e.g., clients, servers, PCs, mobile computers, game machines, PDAs, set top boxes, appliances, digital televisions and other devices, will use the same core computer processor logic insuring compatibility. The consistent modular structure enables efficient, high speed processing of applications and data by the network's members and the rapid transmission of applications and data over the network. THAT COULD MEAN THAT THE RULES JUST CHANGED - DRAMATICALLY. IBM has certainly invested in that prospect and having the three main game consoles using Power or CELL is part of that strategy. We think the new Freescale owners are thinking this way too. All this suggests a new programming model for transmitting data and applications over a network and for processing data and applications among the network's members (vs. data just being transferred between stand alone devices that must run the same application software to process and display the data sent). This programming model employs a software CELL that is transmitted over the network for processing by any of the network's members (some to a higher degree and some to a lesser degree). Each software CELL has the same structure and contains both applications and data. It means the "old" stuff still works, but it needs to be compiled in a NEW way. What we have (IBM has; FSL might) thus created is a dynamic not unlike the advent of the fax machine -- to send or receive a fax you had to have one (and if you don't have one you can not play!). This means the code for the applications *must* be based upon the same common ISA. However, all computing resources on this network will have to have the same basic structure and employ the same ISA so any particular resource performing the processing can be located anywhere on the network and dynamically assigned to the activity required. We talked about this a couple of years ago. We still think the Power Architecture technology has the trump card *if* the game gets that far. As far as we are concerned, having an old IBM CEO back in the game is a good thing. Again, this is about digital distribution. When this media replaces its predecessors the money flows in the new direction. R&B 3:42 PM

Hi bbrv,

Yikes!

Talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah....

Just buy Hyperion Entertainment and Amia Inc. already, own AOS4.x, and 5.0 outright, and drive them into the ground like you did MorphOS.

At $4.50 US a pop, it'd be the same thing.

@bbrv

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bbrv wrote: @pixie et al What does "Amiga" have to offer? There is a community. Perserve this! Best regards, R&B

You misspelt "perverse".

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pixie wrote: @Atheist Repeating the same crap over and over again doesn't make it to smell betternor make you more inteligent...

Hi pixie,

Truely, you apply that statement to the wrong party.

@Atheist

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Hi bbrv,


Jinkies! I've been exposed!!


At least you have a sense of humor.

@Atheist




Headline:

"Scandal breaks out at AmigaWorld.net
Reknowned OS4 advocate, "Atheist", has been outed and is actually a noted keen WindowsXP user. "I will use WindowsXP till my last breath! Give me XP or give me death!", was his outburst as details came to light of his true inclinations and love for the x86 platform. More details to follow."


"In more details. When asked what he thinks of Bill Gates: "Oh, Gatesy? We go way back. Last time I spoke to him was at his poolside BBQ party with the Intel and AMD CEO present. We had a ball! I will be sponsoring Gatesy's son's confirmation in a week's time and am currently involved in a project to unfurl a massive poster of Gatesy from the Eiffel Tower in a fortnight's time, as a publicity stunt to show the world the greatness of his OS and favoured computing platform, the x86 system."

(On a more serious note, let me know if you want that info deleted.)

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@itix

Your views are shorten than the ones of a working donkey:

BTW I was not talking about the current userbase, but the thounsands of old Amiga users that still take a look at Amiga websites (as the site's statistics indicate) from time to time, waiting to see the evolution and the possible rebirth of the platform.

There are hundred thousands ex-users that still love Amiga but they leaved the platform as active users simply because the hardware and the state of things suck a lot.

But once some decent hardware appears, they will give it a try for sure. And I am not speaking about being like a pc: We must not focus neither on legacy nor compete against pc in terms of cutting edge features of the harware (because we can´t), but simply on a hardware that can provide us 2 things:

- Enough power to do the most important computing tasks, and hopefully easier than in the wintel way.

- An easy and cheap way to upgrade the system for at least 4 or 5 years.

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Maybe the most annoying feature in the Amiga community is that they think they are center of the universe.

Meeeeckkk! WRONG ANSWER. Just a little correction to that phrase: They are the centre of the AMIGA universe.

If others come to the Amiga universe (not a different aproach, but just trying to "steal" this community) obviously we feel like something important that someone want to take violently. Maybe if they had used a different approach (not trying to copy or steal), we would not think about them like we do ;)

Hi Bodie_CI5,

Hehehe. Excellent!





Sidenote: I'm okay with that, if he got it, I'm sure others could anyway. Heck, my location's in my "from:".

[stupid auto-censorship destroyed a joke]

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@Atheist

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Truely, you apply that statement to the wrong party.

Even if God itself materialized and explained to you that if a company who does a 50$ deal regarding an Open Source OS could also make such a deal regarding AmigaOS 4 you wouldn't understand... if He tried to explain that Genesi could also infer the OS costs into the costumer themselves you wouldn't understand, then why bother... keep on your witch hunt crusade, see if I bother...

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We think Lou Gerstner will now answer that question. He is the Chairman of the Carlyle Group and the former CEO of IBM. Carlyle now owns Freescale.

Hmm, thought I recalled that name from somewhere ....

Meet The Carlyle Group

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Former World Leaders and Washington Insiders Making Billions in the War on Terrorism - Carlyle has become the thread which indirectly links American military policy in Afghanistan to the personal financial fortunes of its celebrity employees, not least the current president's father. And, until earlier this month, Carlyle provided another curious link to the Afghan crisis: among the firm's multi-million-dollar investors were members of the family of Osama bin Laden

Not the sort of people I want making decisions for me, or taking one penny from me.

@Atheist

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Sidenote: I'm okay with that, if he got it, I'm sure others could anyway. Heck, my location's in my "from:".

Actually destroying that post would do BBRV a favour, as it contains a shameful and childish attack.

saimo

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@bbrv

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Just dropped back in to make that point. There will be opportunity. We hope there will be a new Amiga and better than it ever was. What will that make the past and the unsuccessful when that happens? What does "Amiga" have to offer? There is a community. Preserve this!

What do you refer to with the word "Amiga"? Why do you enclose it in quotes? Why are you always so subtle? What makes you think that the community is not going to survive without following you?

saimo

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@drHirudo

I agree with you, all BBRV ever do is that blog. Propbably, because no one ever reads it.

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@saimo

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What do you refer to with the word "Amiga"? Why do you enclose it in quotes? Why are you always so subtle? What makes you think that the community is not going to survive without following you?

I guess he just put it in quotes, because everybody has a different view of what an "Amiga" really is. For some it is most important that it is called "Amiga", for others however, a Pegasos 2 running Morphos is as "Amigan" as an AmigaOne running OS4. Therefore, each of us would need to fill that term with our own interpretation.

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What makes you think that the community is not going to survive without following you?

No need to rant over each small bit (hell, even the quotation marks now!) that bbrv posted.

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@saimo

You always seem to miss the point. How about this:

What a computing platform "is" *is* going to change (you don't have to follow Genesi or use an EFIKA to participate).

When that happens *all* operating systems/application packages will be on equal footing *whether* they are "open source" or not.

The key to this future is Community. Community does not suggest agreement, it suggests participation and involvement and actually works best with a diversity of views.

R&B

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@polka.

I don't need nor want any interpretation. I want to know what BBRV actually meant. That's why I asked him directly.
He decided to post. Nobody forced him to. All his post is made of is winking and hinting and spamming. For example, look at this:

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Just dropped back in to make that point. There will be opportunity. We hope there will be a new Amiga and better than it ever was.

It's a while that he acts as the only saviour, the only good father (and, viceversa, the others are bad, hopeless and doomed) that can finally make the Amiga shine again. It's all implied, it's all indirect. It only stirs troubles and, to those who are not dazzled, makes him look like a fool.
Do you have another interpretation? Fine. But that proves that he hinted, winked and did not deliver any clear information.

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No need to rant over each small bit (hell, even the quotation marks now!) that bbrv posted.

If he posted serious, constructive and respectful things, there would be nothing to rant about. But, no, each and every of his posts here contain a variable amount of junk. Which is not welcome here.

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What does "Amiga" have to offer? There is a community. Preserve this!

Yes, quotation marks. You may be happy with your own interpretation. I am not.
I want to know the meaning of this line. It's subtle from the first to the last letter. I don't find it respectful.

saimo

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@Atheist

Seems he has a lot of free time to check his 'visitors' posted configurations. Starting from this I think he should have a very few number of hits.

Anyway, this EFIKA advertisement thread is getting more and more 'silly'. While the blue side is promoting EFIKA as a very nice platform for OS4, on the other side the are laughing on the Troika's specs, which is MUCH BETTER than this embedded gadget.

IMHO running OS4 on an EFIKA like thingy is wasting money/time.