@saimo

I don't really understand why you are so picky about all this. You seem to be way too emotionally involved, spending all your time writing things like this. How about taking a break? Why not take a nice long walk in the park, and not think about Amiga or BBRV at all for a while?

@bbrv

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bbrv wrote: @all NEWS FLASH!!! We have had an answer. We have just ask if we can post it here. The first indications are *very* positive! R&B

Are you sure that they have answered you?

@bbrv

When I decided to peek at this thread, I thought oh boy here we go..another thread full of bickering and what not.... but then I read this:

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Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA. For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously. We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree.

That sounded promising..

and then I read this:

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NEWS FLASH!!! We have had an answer. We have just ask if we can post it here. The first indications are *very* positive!

.. even better!

I hope you guys can nut out some sort of arrangement. Good luck! Please go on with it, and dont let any minor hurdles stand in your way!

@bbrv

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bbrv wrote: @tomazkid Quote: From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck Date: September 18, 2006 9:58:13 AM EDT To: technologylicensing@amiga.com Subject: License Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA. For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously. We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree. Best regards, Raquel and Bill Let's see what happens. We have nothing to hide. We hope it works. Go Power! R&B

Don't want to spoil the party, but the kernel belongs to Thomas and me, and nobody asked us yet.

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@Rogue

Maybe the party is just getting started...

Dear Thomas and me, please inform us of the license terms for the OS4 kernel on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA.

For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously.

We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree.

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill


How is that?

R&B

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@Rogue
Wouldn't it be cool if OS4 ran on readily available, proven harware such as Pegasos2? Pleeeeeaseeee give em a licence on your kernel........

@bbrv

Now THAT is a serious and highly professional business letter! This will surely get things started! Go bbrv, go !!

@takemehomegrandma

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I don't really understand why you are so picky about all this.

Actually I was happy with writing this post (a resigned reply to a "joke" played on me), and it certainly was not my intention to turn the thread topic into "Let's pick on picky saimo". As you can see from that post on, a number of persons, in a variety of ways, had something to say about it, so all I did was respectfully answer each and every one of them to explain my POV. Now, how it can be that my remark has become more interesting than the other, more juicy aspects of the discussion is beyond me - well, actually I have an idea, but it would be totally pointless discussing about it

@gary_c

I'm not trying to avoid your comment, I'll get back to it later when I'll have time.

saimo

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@Rogue

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Don't want to spoil the party, but the kernel belongs to Thomas and me, and nobody asked us yet.

Okay, I have no clue what parts of AmigaOS belong to who now. And equally less of a clue as to who to approach about getting os4 on new hardware. I guess these are the issues that are being nutted out in court now? Seems like internally the Amiga is in strife.
EDIT: It's been suggested to me that "in the hands of attourneys" could just mean negotiating.. that it may not be in court yet. I really hope thats the case.

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Wow, is this progress I'm seeing? Do keep us posted...

[edit] Hmm, I just had a thought... if bbrv needs to contact the Friedens separately, they probably need to get hold of the remainder of the OS4 team as well (Stephane, Almos, Forefront, etc, etc). That's 40+ emails you still need to write, bbrv - thank goodness for cut'n'paste eh

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@gary_c

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I guess you laugh easily at mundane things. "Please, one at a time" must be a milestone in dry humor -- I'm sure it'd work as a punchline in the right context, but it lacks the needed buildup here, IMO.

Of course the magnitude of the effect depends on the personal sensibility.
In this case there was a sufficient buildup for a funny comment - certainly not a joke for the world championship.

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My view is that the joke hinges entirely on the fact that DoodooHead's name is used. That's because it provides the layers of meaning that are at the heart of many jokes. It has meaning both literally (DoodooHead the actual person) and figuratively (the next in the line of "DoodooHeads" -- aka dummies). He could have used another individual's name, but DoodooHead's name has the required context resonance for a little smile.

I disagree about the "entirely": the choice of the name adds layers, but without it still he would have written a lightly funny line, and nobody would have complained. But the choice he made was unnecessary and unconsiderate, especially in light of the previous joke he made using the same nickname.
I cannot but think that BB must be really careful about what he says and what he does: it goes without saying for any person with his role in general, and it's even more important in the actual case, given the whole historical background.

saimo

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@bbrv

Proactively seeking to get a license for OS4 on the Pegs sounds like the best move you could make towards re-uniting the Amiga community.

I'm not so sure that writing "Dear Thomas and me" can help you in getting taken seriously...

Anyway, if you really are serious about getting a license/port for OS4 for your hw, I do hope it works out.

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@CodeSmith

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[edit] Hmm, I just had a thought... if bbrv needs to contact the Friedens separately, they probably need to get hold of the remainder of the OS4 team as well (Stephane, Almos, Forefront, etc, etc). That's 40+ emails you still need to write, bbrv - thank goodness for cut'n'paste eh

Indeed, it's hard to think a third party can enter the game without undergoing major hassles, given that the state of things is already messed up between the two main actors.
Maybe the problems should be solved at their roots first (i.e. the "battle" between AInc and Hyperion), but, on the other hand, the addition on new players may help speeding up the process thanks to the ensuing change of perspective for the future.
Let's hope that, whatever happens, AOS4 will continue to live and grow strong.

saimo

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@Rogue

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Don't want to spoil the party, but the kernel belongs to Thomas and me, and nobody asked us yet.

So AmigaOS are splitting and splitting more and more and even more who will be interested in an OS that have +40 owners and that you must get +40 licenses to use in your hardware.Already happened with say, arexx, parts maked by hage&partner and now That .AmigaOS is DEAD because is an OS maked with thousand of parts that in whatever moment can expire the licence to use them

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@COBRA

I agree with you. There are high professionals on the works.

It's good to support good intentions and ideas, but I believe with this business behaviour there will come out nothing.

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Rouge: @bbrv Quote: bbrv wrote: @tomazkid Quote: From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck Date: September 18, 2006 9:58:13 AM EDT To: technologylicensing@amiga.com Subject: License Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA. For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously. We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree. Best regards, Raquel and Bill Let's see what happens. We have nothing to hide. We hope it works. Go Power! R&B Don't want to spoil the party, but the kernel belongs to Thomas and me, and nobody asked us yet.

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BBRV @Rogue Maybe the party is just getting started... Dear Thomas and me, please inform us of the license terms for the OS4 kernel on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA. For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously. We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree. Best regards, Raquel and Bill How is that? R&B

Is the Profesionel?
Does not see rather so out!

@Maik

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Is the Profesionel? Does not see rather so out!

yes, it was a flip remark (off the cuff, slightly sarcastic), but we cant let flip remarks stand in the way of progress.

@Maik

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Is the Profesionel? Does not see rather so out!

There are those who do nothing but complain at other's effort... Well start you up a company sizable enough to acquire an Amiga License then you can show us all how do you see professionalism... then afterwards don't forget that you need also to go trough hyperion, and all the 40+ developers... and I though my country was a big mess regarding burocracy*...

* we have sun though

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When reading these stupid... "I wrote this, I wrote that, this is my property, you need to ask me if you want a licence, blabla..." I'm starting to think that the GPL is not that bad after all.

Do you think your OS (or kernel, or whatever parts you claim to have written or have rights on...) is the holy grail ? :)

If I was in your position: having worked for 5-6 years on a product that can't be released,... I wouldn't do such manners when someone asks for my product :) (be it bbrv, bill gates, or my neighbour :))

Leo.

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@Leo

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Leo wrote: When reading these stupid... "I wrote this, I wrote that, this is my property, you need to ask me if you want a licence, blabla..." I'm starting to think that the GPL is not that bad after all. Do you think your OS (or kernel, or whatever parts you claim to have written or have rights on...) is the holy grail ? :) Leo.

I hope AmigaInc had learned the lesson, develop AOS in house and not give anymore a third party to develop it.they do it with Haage&partner and H&P screwed them, they do it with Hyperion and Hyperion screwed them.

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