@Manu

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Manu wrote: @OldFart If you know a way to stretch "quarters", tell me because I could use some more money now.

Lay them on the train tracks and when the train runs over them,
they become stretched...

/ducks

@all

AFAIK ACube never said that OS4 will run on the Sam440 in Q1 2007, they made it quite clear IMHO that OS4 is not the primary market of their board, however they intend to release boards for the OS4 market as well. Amiga Inc. also mentioned the Sam440 specifically as a future OS4 hardware platform. This is the only hardware apart from the AmigaOne, which Amiga Inc. expressed their intention of having OS4 on. The most likely case is that it will be released soon with Linux, and OS4 will be available for it a bit later (unless Amiga Inc. change their mind about giving them a license). It was the same way with the AmigaOne, being released with Linux first, then later with OS4.

@debrun

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I think EVERYTHING is on hold until the legal bickering is over.

It's not.

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Is there so much going on in the court case that its going to be drawn out like the AMD vs Intel case

Are you sure that there is a court case at all?

I'd like to hear from ACK (I know, fat chance). He was so bullish, full of promises, and now months after he promised things (A1 CPU modules, new mobo, etc) still nothing. With this silence, he just seems like a con merchant...

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@Manu

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because I could use some more money now.

Ah, I see! A classic example of still having a lot of month left when at the end of the money.

Some thirty-odd years ago when as a student I first came to live in this city, there was a man in the market selling sewing neccessities like needles, thread, buttons, zippers and elastic band. The latter he sold, and marked, as 'reformed tape measure', after a conceived habbit of members of the Dutch Reformed Church to apply different measures for one and the same.

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@COBRA

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AFAIK ACube never said that OS4 will run on the Sam440 in Q1 2007

This is not what I understand from the website : it says "available Q1 2007" not "available with OS4 Q1 2007".
Or maybe you have information we don't have.

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Read again what I wrote

@all

With all these "SAM will never run Amiga OS4" comments I think I should remind people that the three companies that formed A-Cube Systems are Amiga centric companies. Sure, OS4 isn't their primary market because that market just isn't big enough to sustain even one hardware company. However, that doesn't mean that running OS4 on their board wasn't the primary motivaion for designing the board in the first place.

If I had the resources, I'd do the same thing. Design with the intention o running OS4 on hardware (probably the dual-core chip form PASemi) but make sure that Linux runs well and market it as a power efficient Linux board. I'd still try to get an OS4 license though.

So everyone, please don't start crying right now. Wait until the announcements are made, or at least wait until April.

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@Hans

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With all these "SAM will never run Amiga OS4" comments I think I should remind people that the three companies that formed A-Cube Systems are Amiga centric companies.

But as far as I know, none of those three companies has permission from Amiga inc. to grant a licence to whatever product. As I (and many others) see it, it's not the people directly related to the project that's the problem, it's the people who aren't (Amiga inc.), it's not like others hadn't considered (and later abandoned) possibility of running (also) OS4 on their product. And before anyone mentions it: No, as most people know, it's most definitely NOT just Pegasos & Efika that have been denied a licence.

@Jupp3

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Jupp3 wrote: @Hans Quote: With all these "SAM will never run Amiga OS4" comments I think I should remind people that the three companies that formed A-Cube Systems are Amiga centric companies. But as far as I know, none of those three companies has permission from Amiga inc. to grant a licence to whatever product. As I (and many others) see it, it's not the people directly related to the project that's the problem, it's the people who aren't (Amiga inc.), it's not like others hadn't considered (and later abandoned) possibility of running (also) OS4 on their product. And before anyone mentions it: No, as most people know, it's most definitely NOT just Pegasos & Efika that have been denied a licence.

True. However, A Inc. have specifically mentioned the SAM as a possibility. Also, just because they haven't announced it yet, doesn't mean that they don't have a license or won't be able to get it. A-Cube have a tendency to not announce things until everything is ready. Of course, we have no guarantees, and the silence regarding licenses is really annoying.

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@all

Let me just clarify what I mean by my own personal deadline. If there is no announcement regarding the legal tif between Hyperion's and AInc. regarding ownership, AND there is also therefore no officicial announcement by the Amiga trio regarding an AOS4 license already HAVING BEEN ISSUED - NOT HOPEFULLY to be issued - to SOMEBODY, then I'm bailing. I'm not sticking around for a Linux PPC board and promisses that they'll sort things out and someone will get a license eventually. That's just not good enough anymore for me. I've been hearing this for 2 years already - I'm DONE with all the waiting and the never ending word games and cryptic messages. It's starting to get very stale and it's starting to show that it is in the community including on AW.NET...it's just not fun anymore.

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@COBRA

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Are you sure that there is a court case at all?

He can't be sure of that.
The particular issues between AI/Hyperion were always expressed in terms of negotiations between legal representatives. AI's handling of any other legal issues have not been openly expressed re:methodology.

@all

I would hesitate to draw conclusions about what is going on at this point, since your future is not so well served by raising conspiracy theories.

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@Hans

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With all these "SAM will never run Amiga OS4" comments I think I should remind people that the three companies that formed A-Cube Systems are Amiga centric companies.

Yes. If you examine the websites, articles, posts, sigs, etc. you will notice that this involves OS4 team, devs, betatesters, and associates.

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@elatour

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It's starting to get very stale and it's starting to show that it is in the community including on AW.NET...it's just not fun anymore.

It's not a joyride behind the curtain either.
However, the advice given by many to enjoy what you have at present, or discover that there IS life beyond the amiga scene is wise.

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@Jupp3

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But as far as I know, none of those three companies has permission from Amiga inc. to grant a licence to whatever product.

It's not three companies.
That was part of the point of creating the single company Acube.
I sense the importance of this "news" piece went somewhat unnoticed, due to the focus on the "where's the hardware" issue. The announcement should have made plain to everyone that it speaks to meeting the conditions set for establising a solid framework for the future.

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@Rob

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It already runs on Phase 5 PowerUp cards and that PDA reference design based on the ppc 405.

Yes. Obviously that was a painful experience, given the effort put in by everyone involved. The design brought there by SG2 was seen running OS4 at Alchimie a couple years back.

Note who helped make this deal fall apart:

Bill's words (transcript) from Pianeta Amiga last year:
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As mentioned in my 20 questions, back a couple of years ago, Amiga and then IBM began working together on their Artic reference platform which was a Power PC 405 embedded chip and what an exciting project that was. The Frieden brothers worked very hard and we actually had a working prototype on that project, only to have IBM turn around and sell their embedded chip division and slightly stall us.

Also note the connection to intent regarding product:
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Well, while that happened, there is a team and a group of people in Italy who've developed a new piece of hardware based off of the next generation of that power pc chip, the power pc 440 and I have been very pleased in working with the Samantha team, and I know they'll be showing you this new product, and we're looking forward to getting OS4 on that platform and available as this will allow us to have new products, new hardware.

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In running with the PowerPC 440, it will enable new product types to be delivered in the portable area, in handhelds, in lightweights

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@number6

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I would hesitate to draw conclusions about what is going on at this point, since your future is not so well served by raising conspiracy theories.

Anyone who knows anything are free to inform us so we don't need to speculate.
But I guess we are noth worthy such a tremendous effort. We are the bitching
whining community.

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@COBRA

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It's not.

Regarding AInc/Hyperion, hardware dev's or both?

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Are you sure that there is a court case at all?

Nope. Are you sure there isn't?

I'm reading that you believe the hold up now is not based on legal suits or cessation of development, but rather that some of those who are involved are simply off schedule?

That sounds very heartening, but what makes you say so?

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@Manu

I have some extra cheese left over from my wine-ing if you and your kitty would like some?

Here's some positive speculation:

Its been really quiet not because of court slinging, but because AInc are extraordinarily busy putting together a marketing and advertising scheme to make our horrifically long and painful wait vanish with a huge Boing! splash of The Amiga Bounces Back campaign!

Well it could go that way for once?

@elatour

Don't bail!!! If you have to, just take a break! Swear off for a couple of weeks, then come back and check! I might just do that myself. WHATEVER the hold up is, SURELY we must be close to something wonderful soon! Remember, the OS is now officially developed enough for commercial release right?

Now where did I put my cheese cutter and goblet....

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I really would like to believe that the silence means
something good for once. But If there would have been
some positive news on the horizion they would have
told us so.

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I don't think AmigaOS 4.0 will ever be released for Sam440.
I don't think it will be released for any of TroikaNG's products
either.

However, I do think ACube will get the hardware done and
release it with Linux. I don't see the commercial reason why
they would ever bother with AmigaOS 4.0.

About Power efficient PowerPC. Sure, but it is alot harder to
convince developer to choose a PowerPC CPU over the signi-
ficantly faster mobile x86 of today. Just look at the OLPC,
which CPU did they chose? AMD Geode a low-power, cool x86.

The PowerPC has always been years ahead of x86 when it comes
to power efficiency, but, I'm sorry to say, they are now running in
circles around us..