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Rogue wrote: And that from someone calling AmigaOS 4 a joke and insulting people like the 30+ developers working on it.

Then let me ask: do you have any King of Amiga 2000 on your staff? No? Didn't think so.
Sure, you may have a few Princes of Amiga 3000, a Duke of Amiga 1000, and even a couple of Counts of Amiga 600. But you do not have a King of Amiga 2000 amongst you, and you should know better than to question the authority and competence of any person holding that title!!

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Hello Fabio,

Nice to know that you're gracing our lowly site with your presence.

I'd like to point out to you once again that Matt insulted moderators via PM, and created multiple identies. This is why he was asked to clarify which identity he wanted to use. Regardless of whether this was made public or not it was the only action taken.

Also, I do not feel that DaveP using seperate nicks to identify himself is the same as somebody using seperate nicks and *FALSE DETAILS* to anonymise themselves, therefore enabling them to say things they do not have to be held responsible for.

If you would like to argue Matt's case I, and I'm sure many others, would appreciate a statement from him with HIS reasons as to why he did what he did, otherwise we can sit here and repeat the same 200 comments we did a few days ago, with neither of us knowing why this was done.

Regards,
Ian

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Private property rights, well I won't go into what I think of those (being an unreformed communist), but the point really is about what these forums are and I argue they are electronic meetings which are free to adopt any form that is seen as useful to its objectives.

I like your style Greg.
You started your point by shooting yourself in the foot. I mean, thats how offensive some people find communism. I would have left the more controversial stuff out.

My wife, who is on the couch behind me, lived under communism for many years, and she has a different perspective on that, but, I digress.

I do like your style, its honest, and appropriate for this forum, and in fact... I agree with some of your points, in that I do think it is appropriate for the owners of this site to adopt a style that they feel works best, including moderation.

I am unreformed libertarian (ka-pow)... and I come to these conclusions for different reasons perhaps...

I remember when Amiga sites like cucug were pure amiga, and then amiga.org started experimenting with industry news... I hated it, because I can get industry news anywhere, and I wanted the amiga flair, and if that required moderation, I was for it.

But, in the end, I have decided I was wrong. Industry news which is both on this site and amiga.org hasn't kept it from being an Amiga site, and I think the motivation behind other news is because there isn't enough amiga news, we would always prefer exciting amiga news when its available.

And I think the same goes for posts... we'd all love to have industry experts posting insightful amiga stuff all the time, but it just isn't there, so we fill our time with second best.

Moderating out the second best doesn't make 'A' material appear... It just leaves us with, well without the second best...so a lot of 3rd place stuff.. a lot of boring cheerleading posts that don't actually say much of anything.

Well, wow, I said more than I hoped... that wasn't all directed at you Greg! LOL

Wow, this is my day for posting.

One other thing, I have written an article on meta data, and if amigworld.net is interested, I will submit it.

This is slightly off topic, but I've never figured out how someone submits a column.

It may not be news, but if I write a column, or a tutorial, I don't want it to become a simple forum post, it should be on the main page alongside the news, imho.

Thanks,
Robert

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Sure, you may have a few Princes of Amiga 3000, a Duke of Amiga 1000, and even a couple of Counts of Amiga 600.

You left out Earls of Amiga 4000 and Princesses of Amiga 1200, and Queens of CD32s

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This is slightly off topic, but I've never figured out how someone submits a column.

Go to the appropriate forum, then look for a button on the page near the top right. It will read "Post New Thread." Click that, and compose your thread's first entry. Be sure to give it a title, in the string gadget just above the "Message Icon" smilies.

Click "Submit," and your new thread is there.

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thats how offensive some people find communism.

I find it hard to believe anyone finds communism offensive. On paper it looks great though is has fallen apart in real life.

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Quixote wrote: You left out Earls of Amiga 4000 and Princesses of Amiga 1200, and Queens of CD32s

Having both an A4k and a CD32, what does that make me? Lieutenant of Chicken Lip? Add to this that I'm a Clown of AmigaOne... What does it all add up to? Boing Ball Nut?

Though of course, to the best of my knowledge, none of my equipment is military grade, or even government approved. So maybe I don't deserve to hold a title after all...

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In any case, bloodline's account has been made on the 23rd, Drebben's account last day of use has been 23rd. I don't see any evidence of the fact that Matt would have continued posting with 2 accounts, but I see how Mike didn't wait a second to accuse Matt of being a troll and all that, without giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's evident Mike was holding old grudges against Matt - and Mike himself stated it! - and it's obvious that affected Mike's judgment of the issue.

Damn right!

Okay What turned out to be a discussion on the moderation of this site has turned into a free for all between a few individuals.

I politely ask that you all get back on topic.

Thanks.

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Amigaworld staff,

I think you guys are doing a terrific job. My personal interest is AmigaOS and nothing else. Anything that doesn't qualify as related to AmigaOS doesn't belong on sites claiming to be "Amiga sites", in my opinion.

AmigaWorld.net has with little doubt the most serious and devoted staff I've seen. Browsing the forums here reminds me of what the USENET comp.sys.amiga newsgroups used to be like a few years ago. The atmosphere here is friendly, inviting and filled with constructivism. I really like it that way.

I think the AmigaOS community needs this resource. I think it needs a "haven" where rules are enforced to keep all the loose cannons at bay. I think it needs a place where the topic is AmigaOS and AmigaOS hardware and nothing else.

AmigaWorld.net staff, keep it up! You're doing really well so far and I see no reasons at all to change your policies!

Meanwhile, have a nice reminder of the weekend.

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@goody

of course, I agree that people aren't offended by the ideals of communism, but there are a lot of people who lived under communism (or still do) who don't like it a whole lot and would have a few words on the subject...

well, if it weren't off topic, they'd have a few words to say. I think communism is much less offensive now that people think its on the way out, but seemed a little creepy, oh, when the soviet union still controlled most of berlin, as an example.

Anyway...that was off topic. sorry.

By the way, this is great site, don't change a thing

@Quixote,

sorry, you didn't understand me. I'm not interested in posting a professional, publishable quality article as a forum post on this site, or any amiga site.

That's the unfortunate thing, is that you can either post news, or post a forum post, but there isn't really recognition for an article or a tutorial at anything other than the forum level.

And that's ashame, because a well written, formal article, even if it isn't 'news' is a step above a forum post, in my opinion.

Look at a magazine..you have news, sure, and articles and tutorials. The articles and tutorials are at the same level as news, not at the same level as 'letters to the editor'.

@RobertDupuy

Unless I'm very much mistaken, you'll find a boxout called 'features' on the left hand side of the page. At the bottom of this, there's a link called submit feature - I think this is what you're after mate.

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Ah was beaten to it!

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As I said Matt is a complex issue with all of his wild accusations.

Before more false accusations are outed within this thread by a select few and this story will again get a life of its own. Let me quote Bloodline from a short while ago, where he talked about AmigaWorld's moderation policy at another Amiga forum:

"The Moderation is horrendus, I have seen with my own eyes posts with resonable questions deleted!!"

There have been various trolls making similar claims at other forums for a long time now.

I have seen more moderations done at ANN within one day regarding just one thread than there have been moderations here at AmigaWorld within a whole year. Similarly there are a hell of a lot less moderations here than at AO.

Honestly we mods don't have much to do, as we seem to be blessed with a vast majority of constructive users.

One thing which is notable about all the false claims is that they never provide solid evidence. (At some forums like ANN for instance counter evidence is sometimes even censored!) Some of the trolls claim that the evidence has thus been deleted at AW, but that is just pure nonsense.

Unless someone feels the need to create a new thread which a moderator considers trolling, we always openly provide an explanation on why the message was moderated. Considering all the false accusations, I still believe that by handling these issues openly we did the right thing as we don't have to deal with even more fantasy stories.

I believe a good suggestion may be that all abuse in the future will continue to be dealt with as openly as possible.

Mikey_C could you post the relavent section of the PM I send you with my suggestions for moderation? I'm rather loathed to type it all out again! :)

I do think you guys do a good job moderating, but as I said in my PM, avoid post deletion like the plague! A drastic moderation means leaving the essence of a post intact with the offencing item (if a link to a porn site or something) removed and a moderator comment added to the bottom of the post. There are some circumstances where an entire post is defamatory and needs removing. DON'T delete it. Edit out the text but leave the shell of the post (who its from etc) there so people know something happened. Then post a warning post below it or place the warning as an edit text in the edited post.

Nothing must be fully deleted otherwise people speculate and start to not trust the moderators.

CnlPepper - and my 2 cents...

First, I will simply repeat my position that the moderators here are easily the gentlest I've dealt with.

As to conspiracy theories, that term far too often gets used as a euphemism for ?Everybody's out to get? some person or other, or rather to give an aura of unimportance to the opinions of some person or group who think that they are under attack. In other words it gets used as an insult. All that is required to have a conspiracy is for two or more people to be acting together under cover of secrecy, usually?usually?to harm another person or group.

To give an example that is dictionarily correct, but would be looked upon over eyeglasses (with one raised eyebrow ), if two people are working together secretly to create a computer application, that is a conspiracy, albeit likely a harmless one, but a conspiracy nevertheless.

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MasterOfReality wrote: I haven't posted to any Amiga site for a long time. ANN obviously isn't worth the effort. A.org used to be great, but since Genesi started paying Wayne to love PPC but hate Eyetech (despite better h/w, and actually having machines for sale), it went to hell. I rarely log in to AW.net, but read it every day. I got sick of being flamed every time I commented on something and packed the interactive bit in altogether. AW was never the source of flames (apart from a small disagreement over global warming and ice-cap melting) but I basically lost patience all round. When I finally get OS4beta for my A1 this will probably change. Until then, it isn't worth the effort. The day the moderation here loosens up is the day I stop even reading. I like the way one can still have a discussion here (even if I'm not participating) without it turning into a flame war. I like the fact that BBRV can't post ####e and call it a news item. I like the fact that Alan R. does interviews here. LEAVE IT AS IT IS!!

I guess you have a problem with me being here because I disagree with some of your comments.

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@Darth_X

How deep did you have to dig to get this thread back out?

I have to confess that i usually go to "Recent Posts" and no further.

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