@COBRA

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So, as far as I understand it, the MOS dev team does not have access to the Pegasos OF sources?

Some devs may have an access via bPlan but the team, no.

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I don't think that bPlan/Genesi would be interested in making updates, after all we're talking about discontinued products, neither the pegasos1 or the pegasos2 are being sold anymore, so they wouldn't have any income from making firmware updates available.

But what developments you would like to see? SFS support (Peg1) and lack of built-in bootmenu could be useful but after all it comes down to the fact that you are using OF only once. When one has configured OF to boot as desired there is no longer need to intervent with OF.

OF is just small bump on the road when there is still lot of work to do on the MorphOS development.

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If you want to switch between Linux/MOS/OS4, you use it way more than once. If you want to install/update the OS by booting on the CD then again you need it. And knowing that some USB hubs are not properly recognised in OF but correctly in the OS, it seems you have to plug another keyboard, just to tell the OF: "ok, there is a CD in the drive, it is bootable, so boot from it, damn it!" All other kind of BIOS (be it old style ugly PC BIOS, PPC Mac OpenFirmware, or new EF)I all have the way to boot on CD by putting a CD in the drive. Guess why ?

Yes, I believe more important work must be done in the OS. But this doesn't remove the fact this is usefull, and you use OF more than once.

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@itix

Personally I'm fine with OF as it is, but a lot of people would prefer not to have anything to do with the typing commands into a console kind of thing, so something to hide it from the average user would be a good idea, so that all they would see when they turn their computer on is some gfx with a progress bar or something, perhaps with some text at the bottom showing what key to press to interrupt booting and get to a prompt, and a menu like un UBoot which allows the user to change settings without the need to remember commands and its parameters, are always a good idea. While you could say that UBoot or Openfirmware is not part of the OS, it is part of the user experience.

@COBRA & Leo

Pegasos 2 ODW was shipped with Linux and MorphOS preinstalled. There was boot menu where user could choose OS with keys and after a while it autobooted with default selection. If bootable CD was in it booted from CD. So it can be done easy if reseller wanted to.

I dont know what settings U-Boot allows to change but on Pegasos I ever needed to change only boot command (boot device) and boot delay. And I never remember command or variable name. Indeed little GUI could help there.

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My SmartFirmware boot screen -

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@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: @guruman Quote: Finally, he said that MorphOS does not even have an editor, so he is clearly referring to old versions of the system, since nowadays MorphOS ships with a native MUIfied `Ed`. No, that was me! Yes, it was an old version.

Indeed. Sorry for the confusion and some small apologies to Gebrochen too. The rest was pretty factual, I hope

@COBRA
You are right that a GUI helps most users, also when fiddling with firmware variables. AFAIK the Friedens were paid by various HW manufacturers for their work on UBoot, so it made a lot of sense to work there. BPlan develop the Smart Firmware (an implementation of the OF standard, if I am not mistaken) by themselves, I don't think it's something the MorphOS team should touch - forcing reflashes that might have made void guarantee, which is still valid for many Efikas - while they can indeed concentrate on making the OS experience better after the boot happens...

Kind regards,
Andrea

@peroxidechicken

have you used bootcreator to make that menu?

what gfx card do use in the efika? does morphos shows up on the tv as well?

@Rogue

Any possibility of having OS 4.1 on ANY G4 equipped Mac? They're far more plentiful and reasonably priced than SAM440. Thanks.

Ed

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@$adddam

I wrote my current boot menu after a number of google searches for OpenFirmware and SmartFirmware.

The graphics card is a Radeon 9xxx series low profile agp. MorphOS does not put out a composite or s-video signal but Gentoo linux does - the tv display gets corrupted during the boot process but the login screen and desktop are fine.

I use a similar card in my Win2K box and it puts out a tv video signal quite early in the boot process. My opinion is that it wouldn't be that difficult for MorphOS to do the same.

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@edponpon

I think to port to Peg type equipment is easier than mac PPC's, as Peg is similar to A1 type architecture.

So I have been told anyway.

Also,

Rogue, or the people he is developing with, seem to have something bigger planned, perhaps with Acube, or perhaps with a bigger market, like x86????

I do not know what we are supposed to like with what is coming, but he did state we will like what is coming in one of his posts somewhere.

Cheers.

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@Gebrochen

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Gebrochen wrote: @edponpon I think to port to Peg type equipment is easier than mac PPC's, as Peg is similar to A1 type architecture. So I have been told anyway.

The Peg2 is not much more similar to A1 than a Mac is. The Peg uses a diffrent northbridge (Marvell Discovery II vs. ArticiaS) and a diffrent southbridge ( VIA 8231 vs. VIA 686B) nd a difrent firmwware (SmartFirmware vs. UBoot). Basically there's not much in common between the A1 & P2.
The advantage of the Peg is: There is a hardware abstarction layer available in the firmware and all documentation to port an OS to that maschine is publically avalable (except information for the Gigabit Ethernet port of the MVII).

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@peroxidechicken

"I wrote my current boot menu after a number of google searches for OpenFirmware and SmartFirmware."

in forth?:)

"MorphOS does not put out a composite or s-video signal"

i've been told that morphos supports tv-out (even has paltv settings in modeedit) but on my gfxcard the screen is corrupted (like multiscan prod. screen on pal). but for me its like that right from the OF (radeon 9200pro)...
so in theory it should work... somehow.

@all

Just a quick note to say that the Pegasos II version of AmigaOS 4.1 is now in stock and is shipping - all customers that are pre-ordered will have their stock sent out shortly. Thank you.

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Ooh, that's quicker than expected! But it'll proably still give me the weekend free to have a play with the demo of Windows 7.


Wot? Wot?

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@$adddam

Hmmm... I didn't know about the modeedit settings for tv-out. When I was taking pictures of that Efika hooked up to the tv and didn't get any video signal after booting MorphOS I thought I remembered reading comments (or something) that tv-out wasn't supported. I can't be sure but your corrupted screen description sounds like the graphics card refresh rate doesn't match what your tv expects to get. The tv I used autodetects a number of different refresh rates.

What follows is my boot script - dunno if those commands can be described as a language and don't care as I just hammered it until it worked.

\ first line has to be a comment or "Smart"Firmware takes it's ball and goes home
d# 27 emit ascii [ emit ascii H emit d# 27 emit ascii [ emit ascii J emit \ just a little console screen voodoo...
." Boot selector menu: MorphOS 2.0 " cr
." e17ka (root password is e17ka)" cr
." MorphOS 2.1 " cr
." " cr
." MorphOS boot options: " cr
." BM=BootMenu/S - Enter bootmenu without user intervention. " cr
." 3D=Use3DLayers/S - Enable 3D accelerated layers. " cr
." SML=SafeMemLists/S - Use old MorphOS 1.x-style memory system. " cr
." BD=BootDevice/K - Boot from given device. Example: " cr
." boot ... bootdevice=SDH2 " cr
." PC=PreloadCmd/K - Command(s) to execute before startup-sequence. " cr
." Multiple commands can be given separated by a *N. " cr
." Examples: " cr
." boot ... PC=" ascii " emit ." echo *" ascii " emit ." Hello, world*" ascii " emit ascii " emit cr
." boot ... PC=" ascii " emit ." dir sys:*Nquit" ascii " emit cr
." " cr
." e17ka boot template: boot hd: e17ka console=tty1,115200 init=/linuxrc " cr
." looptype=squashfs loop=/e17ka.img udev nodevfs root=/dev/ram console=tty0 " cr
." cdroot=/dev/sda e17kahd=sda saveonexit video=radeonfb:800x600-32 " cr
." quiet splash=verbose,theme:e17ka " cr
." " cr
." Press Esc to drop back to SmartFirmware " cr
." " cr
." > "
key case
31 of " boot hd:0 boot.img bd=dh0 " eval endof
32 of " boot hd:5 e17ka console=tty1,115200 init=/linuxrc looptype=squashfs
loop=/e17ka.img udev nodevfs root=/dev/ram console=tty0 cdroot=/dev/sda6
e17kahd=/dev/sda6 saveonexit video=radeonfb:800x600-32 quiet
splash=verbose,theme:e17ka " eval endof
33 of " boot hd:3 boot.img bd=dh3" eval endof
endcase

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@edponpon

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@Rogue Any possibility of having OS 4.1 on ANY G4 equipped Mac? They're far more plentiful and reasonably priced than SAM440. Thanks.

Maybe there is a little hope yet... who knows ?

Anyway, here is my "Dream Team" :

- SAM(s) (with a better price ?) for the entry level ;

- PPC macmini for expanding the user/developer base to an accettable level with a great and affordable machine ;

- PPC apple notebooks for the looong dreamed portable Amiga ;

- Powerstation for the high-end market.

I strongly hope someone like it a bit...

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@Zylesea

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MorphOS now comes with an editor and even if it didn't came with an edior, there are thousands od editors avaialble at aminet. Even my old Appetizer WB 1.3 Write programm from 1990 does work on MorphOS.

I have that on disk.

It wasn't possible for me to download an editor as I had no internet access at the time. Infact I think I had to locate a simple one on a CD. Don't know if I found one.

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And how do you come to the conclusion there are no prefs???Left mouse click into ambient: settingsVoilá everything there.

I found no Preferences drawer in the system partition.


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If you have a peg 1 this is a bit different:

It was a Peg 1.

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And regarding the screenmodes. It is like it was in CGX for years.

I'm not familar with it. I'm familar with ScreenMode Prefs.

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But if you want a really seemless transition from 3.9 - go use 3.9.

No way! I prefer a newer system. MOS and OS4 make OS3.9 look old!

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You're right: MorphOS is not AmigaOS and to cite the Berlin Major Wowereit "und das ist auch gut so!"