Why can't AROS be your x86 Amiga OS?

(A bit tongue in cheek with this poll).

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@fairlanefastback

I prefer using other operating systems on x86 (only Linux so far).

Varthall

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Ehhm... You missed a few here...

AROS is progressing really fast these times, but not fast enough imo, besides the driver support is really bad as I see it.
And also that the OS still seems somewhat "half-complete" !

@fairlanefastback

None of the above... it's just not complete enough yet. Nor does it seem to have the support that OS4 or MorphOS has.

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@HammerD

Where is remote desktop for AROS ?

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@fairlanefastback

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fairlanefastback wrote: Why can't AROS be your x86 Amiga OS? (A bit tongue in cheek with this poll).

It may have to be! ;) I ain't rich enough for anything else ;) lol
Hope AMIGA Inc don't can it if this is all that's left.

Oh yeah, WinUAE does AOS 3.x better ;) which is what I am on now ;) lol
I'd love a port of 4.1 though or Maybe WinUAE Mk2 that runs it? (tongue in cheek)

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@fairlanefastback
I tried it, but it was too unstable, (even the hosted versions and also in vmWare) and it lacked proper drivers for practically everything i had. Additionall it was also quite slow on my hardware (probably due to the lack of drivers, mainly gfx).

It's progressing, and maybe it will get to somewhere sooner or later, but in the meanwhile i need an OS which just works (therefore i use MorphOS).

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It's not very usable yet and it won't run 68k binaries.

@fairlanefastback

Funny you ask.

I'm looking into it as we speak.

emil@senna:/tmp/AROS-20090324-linux-i386-system>

For what's worth I'm waiting to see what Michał and Anubis guys will come up with.

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I am really excited about AROS and the things it already has contributed to the Amiga community. It has progressed very fast recently and the future looks really bright for the platform, compared to the more unsecure future of the other Amiga-related operating systems being dependent on company affairs.

The AROS kickstart replacement is also a very nice idea and will be great for Classic and UAE users and also for projects like Clone-A and Natami.
Personally I would like to see a open-source United Amiga Initiative, to set standards and goals that benefit all current Amiga-related operating systems. This in-fighting and competition is ridiculous, considering the small number of Amiga-users.
And I say this as a user of IcAROS as well as MorphOS2, AmigaOS4 and of course OS3.x.

@Chain-Q

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Chain-Q wrote: @fairlanefastback I tried it, but it was too unstable, (even the hosted versions and also in vmWare) and it lacked proper drivers for practically everything i had. Additionall it was also quite slow on my hardware (probably due to the lack of drivers, mainly gfx). It's progressing, and maybe it will get to somewhere sooner or later, but in the meanwhile i need an OS which just works (therefore i use MorphOS).

HERE WE HAVE THE PROOF OF WHAT WILL COMPLAIN ALL THE PEOPLE THAT IS NOW COMPLAINING THAT AMIGAOS4 IS NOT PORTED TO X86 (IF/When Os4 would run on x86)

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@Fransexy

Too bad there's not uper-upercase and bolder bold so you could make your point even better.

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@opi

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opi wrote: @Fransexy Too bad there's not uper-upercase and bolder bold so you could make your point even better.

In front of the truth, people attack the forms instead of the content to which has no arguments to refute

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@Fransexy

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In front of the truth, people attack the forms instead of the content to which he has no arguments to refute

Yeah, yeah. I love to talk with shouting people. Keep up good work.

Anyway, there's a thing that people call HCL. I run few OSes and everytime I buy new hardware I check if this device is supported by my OS. And how well. If someone will buy PCI-E monster-video-card and then complain that it didn't work with AmigaOS4 you'll

a) tell him he should check what's supported
b) type in all-uppercase all-bold that it's OS fault

AROS is another thing. It's still a playground. You don't have to pay for it. When I buy OS, or HW I make educated choices. AmigaOS4 has limited list of HW. Hell, there's a HW you won't run in your Windows box just like that.

Running on x86 doesn't equal to "runs on everything with everything". I can build Hacktintosh, that would be x86, but I have to keep in mind what HW is supported by kernel and drivers.

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@opi

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Running on x86 doesn't equal to "runs on everything with everything". I can build Hacktintosh, that would be x86, but I have to keep in mind what HW is supported by kernel and drivers.

Yes!!! you and me knows this, but........ I fear that the vast majority do not (specially the hypotheticals newcomers)

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@Fransexy

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I fear that the vast majority do not (specially the hypotheticals newcomers)

I would say that newcomers will recruit from curiouse people who know ins and outs of alternative OSes. Joe Random won't care for OS4 regardless CPU platform. We're talking about few complains from newcomers and no newcomers.

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@Fransexy

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Fransexy wrote: @opi Quote: Running on x86 doesn't equal to "runs on everything with everything". I can build Hacktintosh, that would be x86, but I have to keep in mind what HW is supported by kernel and drivers. Yes!!! you and me knows this, but........ I fear that the vast majority do not (specially the hypotheticals newcomers)

I agree. People keep shouting give it to me for x86. But what many mean is for *their* x86 machine. They don't envision it will be for a very *limited* amount of PC hardware, that they may then have to buy just to run the OS, whether it be AROS x86 or AOS x86.

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@fryguy
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fryguy wrote: It's not very usable yet and it won't run 68k binaries.

Eh?
http://o1i.blogspot.com/

AROS is getting stronger all the time. Give the new Icaros Desktop a try when it's ready and I think you'll be surprised how usable AROS has become.

@fairlanefastback

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that they may then have to buy just to run the OS, whether it be AROS x86 or AOS x86.

So:

a) I'll have change mainboard and gfx-card (generic drivers for SATA and USB will do, I think, right?) and then will be able to run Windows, Linux and AmigaOS4 (and maybe OS X if we're lucky ). It will cost me, let say, $200.

b) I have to buy a PPC board, buy another CD, HDD, case and then end up with two computers. That would cost me what, $1000?

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@opi

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opi wrote: a) I'll have change mainboard and gfx-card (generic drivers for SATA and USB will do, I think, right?) and then will be able to run Windows, Linux and AmigaOS4 (and maybe OS X if we're lucky ). It will cost me, let say, $200.

Then why not build an AROS system for that money (or cheaper)?

Everyone complains about drivers on AROS, so why doesn't everyone partake in the golden opportunities we currently have to rid ourselves of this issue?

http://www.power2people.org/bounty_041.html
http://sourceforge.net/projects/arix