@SpaceDruid

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SpaceDruid wrote: @sundown Quote: X86 h/w may seem cheap to others, but if you're like me with no existing h/w, it would cost me $1000 or more for a good x86 desktop. No it wouldn't You can buy complete systems that don't suck for less than the price of a SAM motherboard these days. You only have to pay top dollar for x86 parts that are cutting edge and aimed at the hardcore overclockers or gamers.

I agree. My Core 2 Duo box only cost me £290 ($476 in todays exchange rate).

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@damocles

Interesting point - so the hardware will match the price of the software (AOS4.x)? What's next? HW for free and software...also?

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@cha05e90

Actually, I'm running Icaros on a rescued X86_64 board. Not FREE, but it only needed a battery and
memory module. Software cost me a CD-R disk.

And,, with the USB problems I'm having with the Sam440ep I don't think I will be buying any more
PPC products or expensive OS's.

@Hyperionmp

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Hyperionmp wrote: @SpaceDruid In addition to that, and the issue has been discussed to death already, a move to x86 would be prohibitively costly. So far OS 4.x has cost well over 2 M euro to develop. That's 2.75 million USD. A move to x86 would halt all existing OS 4 development (i.e. complete feature freeze) and subsequently nearly all development time would be spent on dealing with the wide variety of x86 based hardware. In essence, Amiga OS 4.x development would grind to a complete halt and all this on the fairly far-fetched notion that tens of thousands of existing x86 owners would be willing to pay for a copy of OS 4.1 rather than just downloading a copy somewhere. No thank you, we have taken a look at the PowerPC roadmap and there is plenty of life in it including 8 core designs under 30 W. One of the main benefits of Amiga OS 4.1 is the fact that the geared entirely towards the PowerPC architecture as one of the very few operating systems around. Linux runs fine on PPC but it certainly is not optimised for this architecture in any way.

Some time in 2010, Intel Larrabee will come out with 48 X86 cores with 512bit wide SIMD.

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@amitv

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amitv wrote: @AmigaBlitter Cell consume around 30 watts of power

About 80 watts for PS3's CELL-BE.

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@sundown

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sundown wrote: @SpaceDruid Quote: not throwing good money after bad Now that's a concept I do understand. Bigger companies that have more then one egg in their basket have a better chance of surviving such a move. Hyperion, on the other hand, isn't big enough to do that. I'm not aganst porting to other platforms as long as development for the OS4 PPC version isn't slowed down or stopped. Kind of hard with only a handful of programmers & no money to hire others. There maybe other simpler ways to get OS4 on x86, but AROS isn't exactly storming the market. X86 h/w may seem cheap to others, but if you're like me with no existing h/w, it would cost me $1000 or more for a good x86 desktop. You can argue that it would be more powerfull for the buck, but that doesn't make it any cheaper for me. I'm waiting to see what Hyperion has in store for us, my micro does the job for the moment, but it will need to be replaced with something better soon.

Why $1000? (I assume USD)

One can build $499 PC to beat PS3 i.e. a PC built around AMD Radeon HD 47x0 and AMD Phenom II X3.

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@Hammer

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One can build $499 PC to beat PS3 i.e. a PC built around AMD Radeon HD 47x0 and AMD Phenom II X3.

or AMD Phenom II X4 and the 6 cores are in limited production.

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@cha05e90

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cha05e90 wrote: @damocles Interesting point - so the hardware will match the price of the software (AOS4.x)? What's next? HW for free and software...also?

Like Cellphone plans where you get the phone for free when you sign up for several years of service

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@cha05e90

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Interesting point - so the hardware will match the price of the software (AOS4.x)? What's next? HW for free and software...also?

I've seen banks (going back about a year or so) offering free ASUS EEE PCs with a qualified new account. There are even predictions that M$ will be offering free home level OS in order to maintain their dominance in office and server level software sales. Those who think AI/Hyperion can take on M$, O$-X, and Linux domination, have another think coming.

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@damocles

Ok. I understand. But: What does this mean for Hyperion/ACube? Surrender? Stop OS4.x and PPC board production and...hmmm...raise roses? And for me - as a user? Don't buy PPC boards, don't buy AOS4.x, because at the end of the day i will surrender, too. And use "give away" hardware with linux on top of it?

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@cha05e90

obviously that's what damocles is driving at here.

I guess it boils down to:
You know what Hyperion are doing. Do you want to be a part of it?

It's not like anyone here couldn't exist unless we had a specific toy to play with or anything. But if it makes ME happier to do something, why should I listen to what someone ELSE feels about it?

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@damocles

There are mobile (3G) broadband providers in Ireland now who offer free netbooks if you sign up for a fixed term internet contract. Serious stuff that can't really be competed with by Hyperion/ACube. But that's not really the business they're in, and anyone involved in the Amiga world will know that as well. It's a niche, a hobby, and will always be more expensive due to this.

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@damocles

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Those who think AI/Hyperion can take on M$, O$-X, and Linux domination, have another think coming.

I don't think anyone here really thinks OS4.x will become a viable mainstream alternative to the OSes mentioned, however the aim of making a viable alternative that makes profit and is self perpetuating that would be worth fighting for! The Amiga needs to fight in niche markets and yes I guess desktop PC markets are out of the question. I don't see why we can't challenge in the netbook arena as the CPU speeds are not as important as efficiency and battery life! The only question is where is the SAM Laptop?

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@olegil

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I guess it boils down to: You know what Hyperion are doing. Do you want to be a part of it?

Sorry, only people in a very small circle know what Hyperion is doing.

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@Daedalus

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There are mobile (3G) broadband providers in Ireland now who offer free netbooks if you sign up for a fixed term internet contract. Serious stuff that can't really be competed with by Hyperion/ACube. But that's not really the business they're in, and anyone involved in the Amiga world will know that as well. It's a niche, a hobby, and will always be more expensive due to this.

I am not surprised in the least. Problem for AI/Hyperion/Acube, the size of their hobby market is not large enough to be economically viable. We now know it cost $2M to develope OS4, how in the world are they going to recoup that level of monies selling a few hundred systems here and there over a year's period of time? Of course they could screw the developers and not pay them for their work but even then, your looking at tens of thousands of units need to be sold for Hyperion to break even.

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