@ne_one

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So... anyone have any numbers on the size of the user bases for AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS?

I'm certainly not in charge of compiling this information, but I've spoken with numerous people from all "bases". Couple that with the activity results for extremely popular topics. Add an error margin.
I would say 1200-1500 "active". More lurking.

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number6 wrote: @ne_one Quote: So... anyone have any numbers on the size of the user bases for AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS? I'm certainly not in charge of compiling this information, but I've spoken with numerous people from all "bases". Couple that with the activity results for extremely popular topics. Add an error margin. I would say 1200-1500 "active". More lurking. #6

If correct its not surprising feanor can't get 300 people to express interest in a new PPC board.

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If correct its not surprising feanor can't get 300 people to express interest in a new PPC board.

True. But lets consider the difference in response for a project when we have only the dev "cold calling" through posts on a website, vs having some backing by management for what he might do. (we seldom see that in public).
And what response rate, in turn, might he receive if *gasp* the different amiga flavors made a unified statement of support?
so many variables...

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@feanor

Not many Amiga users will show interest until there is a working machine to see and feel.

You must see this as a business, and quite frankly the Amiga market is too small.

What I suggest is to not rely on one market sector.

Everyone wants something different.

Minimum specs 1.x GHZ, PCI-e x16, SATA, 2x USB 2.0, ethernet

I like QorIQ cpus, pin compatible to eight core P4080

get BOM, get prices, lower price parts (asia), repeat.

Talk to freescale and ask them for discount or special deal.

Get low price solution it will sell like hot cakes.
Large batches

Create a working prototype

Get the hardware that has the most easily accesed source code of drivers.

Sell your system as a Linux machine

If QVC shows Open Office, email, 3D software, lots of free games. It will sell.

Jeri Ellsworth, the developer of the C64 in a joystick made a first production run of 250,000 units!

Team up with her and get your system sold on QVC.

Get a licence from Hyperion

run Amiga OS 4 on it.

create new AmigaOS user market

nice parts availability/price
PPC8536EAVTAQG at http://www.ic-trade.com

dev board
http://www.denx.de/en/Hardware/FslP2020RDB

other talk
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29522&forum=33&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0

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@feanor

Sending you an email as I write this.

Have also forwarded my email to seven others that I know would be interested also.

Laptop / Notebook version would also be strongly advised. Free word of mouth marketing from laptop users is not only a good thing, but it also allows existing users to finally have a proper Amiga OS4.x system out and about.

having said that, I cant say if there is already one in the works, dont know.

cheers and good luck with your future path, whatever path you choose.

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I would say 1200-1500 "active". More lurking.

And anyone willing to wager how many people are:

1. lurking
2. using one of the emulators
3. would be inclined to buy the OS if it was available on mainstream hardware?

I'm sure it would be possible to get a reasonable estimate of the emulation user base from Cloanto.

My guess is that even the lurkers outnumber the active users at this point.

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And what response rate, in turn, might he receive if *gasp* the different amiga flavors made a unified statement of support?

Good point.

Do the MOS or AROS camps have any idea of the size of their active user bases?

@feanor
I would buy one of your modern PPC units that can compete with windows and mac and have DCT & bluray,wireless capabilities.
Thanks for your efforts.

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MorphOS 2.x has close to 700 registrations now. Given the fact, that you can test MOS 2.x first for free and need to register only when you like it, you can assume that these 700 regs are serious. From them a good share is a 2nd kicense, so I'd say probably 400 ppl registered MorphOS 2.x. Un unknown number uses either 1.4.5 on Peg 1 or II or PowerUp. I'd say there are about 500 users who really use the system very much and probably about 500 other users that use MorphOS occasionally. Recently there are more ppl coming to MorphOS thanks to the Mac mini port, but registrations increase slowly because the fee is high und you don't need to register for occasional use.

I of course would welcome a new ppc hardware very much, even though I am very pleased with my Mac mini now.

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ne_one wrote: @number6 Quote: I would say 1200-1500 "active". More lurking. And anyone willing to wager how many people are: 2. using one of the emulators I'm sure it would be possible to get a reasonable estimate of the emulation user base from Cloanto. My guess is that even the lurkers outnumber the active users at this point.

No, not Cloanto. Sole UAE users want something totally free (even if it is illegal, e.g. downloading roms from p2p). Ask Amikit, he has more accurate numbers. Now, multiple by 2, because 1/2 ex-amiga users just wanna play a game and not install the whole OS.

Your guess is my guess too.

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I would say 1200-1500 "active". More lurking.

Yes, that's the figure. 4% of them are Greeks

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I didn't say it's not worth doing, I still like the idea very much. But would you spend this amount with just 120 people in your list? Yes, I agree, people might just be sceptical, but that's a vicious circle, people won't send mails if they don't see something concrete, investors won't bother if they don't see interest, etc. I can't force people to send mail, but I also can't force the investors to spend money just because I think it's "a great idea"! Anyway, I've not dismissed it entirely, but it would just make things soooo much easier if the number was eg 300-500.

Have you looked at the MPC8752E evaluation board (MPC8752DS). Until recently I didn't know about this, but It's a an ATX board with USB, SATA, PATA, Audio PCI-E and PCI. In its current state it is almost a ready to run motherboard. The best bit - dual core 1.2-1.5GHz processor.

See this thread for more details

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29845&forum=14&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#516008

I'd be very tempted to buy one of these if OS4 was available for it.

Regards
Darren

Final results about the market research here:

http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=100

Quote from the blog -the interesting part-:

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... Actually, I just thought of an idea, there is another way that we might build a nice ppc board, but I think it will find even less interest: open-source hardware, donation based. Say, we do a bounty -or what even its legal term is- and each of us, donates an amount, until we reach the desirable amount. If we could get 500 people to donate 100e each -or more in some cases- we might reach the goal to design the board. Since the board design would be open, anyone could then produce it. If the goal is not reached in a specific amount of time, everyone gets their money back -or we leave it open until the money is raised. So, what say you all? It's the last thing that can be done I think. So, if you are really interested in the idea, please say so, if enough people second this, I'm sure something could be arranged.

@feanor
I believe that we already have a PPC board available for AOS, and if another one gets made, than it better be as performing as a 2Ghz dual core Titan or Fixstars powerstations.

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@feanor

Hi. Thank you for your work on this project and I am sincerely sorry for the problems with your customer.
I am also sad to see the PPC project canceled and an ARM project does not interest me because there are hundreds of ARM boards around.

Maybe an open hardware strategy would be the right way ... In any cases, I am still ready to spend money in this project.

@feanor

Mate, I have send you an important e-mail. Please check it.

Thanks and best regards.

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I had also wrote an message to show my interest. As a MOS user I would chose a MacMini now ... sorry.

If you can offer something with 2,4GHz singelcore it would generate more interest, currently most people interested in buying hardware have bought something.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

COMMENT: The nice thing with that approach, is that the end design will be open. If the amount of people does not reach critical mass for a mass production -eg. 500- there might still be a few (100 or even less) people that may go for a small production scale and get the board of their dreams, albeit a bit more expensive! And if I would decide to drop out of the project for whatever reason, the design would be open for anyone to continue development on it. Actually, I wonder why didn't I think of that scheme before...

@thread

Also, I think there should be supercheap version that could be sentn (prebuilt+installed) to potential SW developers for free.

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