@Troels

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No it's Amiga, things always take longer than anticipated nothing strange about that.

Because it used to be unprofessional, it must remain unprofessional, it's Amiga?

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@Zylesea

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or Atari ST

or the Maemo platform

@thread

Ok, lets wait little more then...

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@amigadave

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I think the announcement was premature and intended to stop users from being tempted to buy G4 Mac hardware and run MorphOS2.4 and the soon to be released 2.5 which will have support for several G4 PowerMac models and perhaps the G4 eMac as well. It would be harder to get people to come back to AmigaOS4.x on expensive X1000 hardware after they have just purchased a G4 Mac and pricey MorphOS license. This strategy unfortunately hurts sales of the SAM boards too, as many people will wait and save their money for the coming X1000, knowing that it is very likely to be a more expensive option that they need to save for.

Premature? I don't think so.
G4 Mac, naa, out of production and pretty much a ppc pc. I don't even
know what an eMac is, but again, naaa.
And even if AOS went to x86, if it was just another pc, naaa. In other
words,, I don't want a 'PC'. I've got a 'PC' - - - BORING!

Not only do I have a x86 pc, but I also have a SAM440-PC. ZZzzzzzz.

I believe if they had announced Nemo last October that would have, to me,
been premature. However, their pick of time for announcement really has
kept me onboard. Another 6-9 months may have resulted in my interests
wandering, , , elsewhere.

If anything has hurt the sales of Sam boards it's that they are naught
more than ppc pc's. Yes they run AOS and software, but everything else
about them is Top Secret. Phooey on that. I have yet to see or hear about
anything going into that special connector, and some of the boards don't
even have that connector. For many people software is IT, and that is
just fine. But, somehow, it's not Amiga for many/most of us. They're
not fun for all.

Even if the X1000 did not make it to market, I doubt I would buy
a SamFlex. However, once I have Nemo (or two) I may again look at Sam.
Now that could be fun.

@Mechanic

And what will qualify the X1000 to be not a pc in your book while a Sam is? T

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@Zylesea

Simply put, the addition of Xena/Xorro, and those being common to
all X1000/Nemo boards.

Is this first iteration of ' The new Amiga' the endall of computers? No,but
hopefully a begining with perhaps more 'flexibility' in the future.

For those that will have no interest in anything to do with the added
flexibility it should be a fine PC type system, like the Sams'.

That's the best I can explain it.

@thread

OK Sunday is nearly over here in the lovely UK.
That means another full week has passed since Nemo was announced.

Will this week bring any news? Or perhaps even a tidy up and an official announcement of what we already know?

Who knows eh?

Personally the vacuum which now exists post the A-Eon website unveil has started to leave an unpalatable taste in my mouth.

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@ddni

A little smalltalk in the forums from the people behind, until the webste is reay would be great!

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@bitman

No log in from TrevorDick or Rogue since 21st Jan...

Someone did suggest that Trevor is away at the mo, but where is Rogue?? He is currently active on the Way Inn forum....

Are we in a news black out?

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@ddni
I think they're all in San Francisco right now at the big event!

@persia

lol, stuffing their pockets with manufacturing samples of the "not seen in the wild" PPC!!

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@ddni


Have Hyperion / a-eon abandoned Amigaworld...??

TrevorDick, still no log in since 21st Jan
Rogue, again, not on since the 21st Jan
EntilZha no posts since 5th Jan





aint conspiracy theories fun??

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@ddni
Hmmmm, you don't think they're finishing MAP do you?

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@ChrisH

They certainly better be!
If they are sunning thmeselves on a beach somewhere, I am gonna be pretty peeed off

Perhaps they are busy desoldering iPad CPUs

It definitely seems like a purposeful lack of activity though.... Kind of like the calm before the storm....

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long silence also bring up worries...

like: did the SoC provider delay or withdraw their product


UPDATE Is this our next CPU or not:
Two 64-bit Power PA6T Cores
• Power Architecture version 2.0.4 compliant

Superscalar CPU with Out-of-Order Issue
• Quad fetch, triple issue per cycle
• 64-instruction-deep schedule buffer
• In-order retirement to allow precise exceptions
• Strong store ordering to simplify programming
• Fast branch predictor and 16K-entry branch-history table

Fully Pipelined Execution Units
• Single load/store execution unit
• Dual integer execution units
• Full floating-point unit
• Full VMX unit

64KB Instruction Cache, 64KB Data Cache, Accelerated MMU Operation
• 1024-entry 4-way hardware-managed TLB
• Hardware page table walker with prefetch
• Support for multiple page sizes (4KB–1GB)

Bus Interface for Compute and I/O-intensive Tasks
• Up to 16 cache misses may be outstanding
• 6 merge buffers for uncached stores
• Option for up to 15 outstanding uncached loads
• 12-channel hardware prefetch engine

Virtualization Support
• Supports multiple, different operating systems simultaneously

on each CPU
• Supports industry-standard hypervisors


24 Lanes of SERDES Shared Among
• 8 PCI Express links - Can have one 16x lane link - Other links are 8x, 4x, 2x, or 1x
• 2 XAUI links (each requires 4 lanes)
• 4 SGMII links (each requires 1 lane)
• The 2 XAUI links can also be used as SGMII links (total of 6)

2MB 8-way Associative Shared L2 Cache
• Flexible way allocation, locking

DMA Engine with Cryptography, RAID, and TCP Offload
• AES, DES, 3DES, ARC4, Kasumi
• SHA-1, SHA-256, MD-5, Generic CRC
• IPSEC and SSL

Two DDR2-1066 Memory Controllers (8 Ranks per Controller)
• Supports standard 1-, 2-, and 4-rank 64/72-bit DIMMs
• Up to 16GB per channel (using 2Gb-density DRAMs)
• 266–533MHz clock (533–1,066MHz data rate)

System Support
• Interrupt controller, UARTs, SMBus
• Local bus supports LPC, SPI Flash, CompactFlash, IDE
• JTAG debug interface

Physical Parameters
• 35mm organic PBGA, 1156 balls on 1mm pitch
• 25W worst-case power dissipation at 2GHz
• Operating junction temp 0–100°C
• RoHS compliant; Pb free
• 65nm CMOS technology


If it is, please tell us the story already.


btw. only a few days till next power architecture event ....




UPDATE:
Virtualization in modern PPC SoC http://www.power.org/resources/downloads/virtualization_for_Embedded_Power_Architecture.pdf
It will be interesting to see if Hyperion will use those tricks to sandbox (kind of) old apps...

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@KimmoK

/Putting my serious hat on.

These thoughts are similar to my own.
I certainly can understand that a-eon only want to make a further announcement when they have all the information and HW tied down.

BUT

A total vacuum of information simply causes concern and leads to inane questions like my own ...


A quick post from a-eon to confirm that things are still on track would be welcome.

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@CodeSmith

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then just let it go flat.

Who cares? Further informations are irrelevant. I don't need any more announcents until the ACTUAL LAUNCH of the product. Everything else is - erm - irrelevant. Do you need a countdown to "launch day"? For what? I really don't get it - all those people moaning about a "lack of information"...

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@cha05e90

True they blew a fair amount of street cred on the first announcement. They need to come to the next party with real hardware in their hands along with something concrete you can actually do with the X1000 and a realistic price. WIthout all three it's just another slow march to another death watch.

@persia

"with something concrete you can actually do with the X1000"

It runs AOS4.x, at least.
So far they have hinted that it's 100% up to the users and 3rd party developers to show what is possible with xena/xorro.

" and a realistic price."

Not sure what you are looking after with the "realistic" part.

But so far the announced price has been pretty vague, yes.

(something like 1250¤...2500¤, for me it is a miracle if they manage to sell complete system for less than 2000¤, but miracles seem to happen, but better not count on it, better get SAM now than wait, etc...)

(if the launch price of X1000 is lower than some PPCPowerMac launch price has been, one can wonder if a-eon is able to make any profit...)

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they blew a fair amount of street cred on the first announcement.

I don't see how: They game us lots of info (as we expected), but they just didn't give us everything (partly because they can't yet). And why not leave some juicy details until it's ready to be sold, for a second round of excitement/news?

Even Apple "pre-announcing" their iPad (it won't be on sale until March) did not give too many details. (And of course comparing Hyperion to Apple is silly, given how much money Apple have.)

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@persia

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persia wrote: @cha05e90 True they blew a fair amount of street cred on the first announcement.

Heh? They announced new hardware. In what way did they "blow their street cred"?

It's kind of meh they were not putting up a proper website yet, but that's about it.