@bennymee

There are 2 important differences here:
First, they may not care if a certain design does not show profit. They may very well decide to make 2 different models and the economics behind is to be profitable on at least one model. This is something you can do when you have confidence in your ability to make one model profitable, you just dont know which.
In addition to that, the additional work between two similar models may be very small. If two models are based around the same chipset, it is very likely that the most time consuming routing of the boards are the same and can be shared across designs.

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Maybe prices of SAM will drop down once the X1000 is available.. at the moment there is no need to lower prices, there is no alternative + even if it would be a 100¤ cheaper (which probably is already a huge price range for ACube).

And always remember how expensive a new Amiga was as it came out... I guess If you wait half a year, there will be 200¤ of the original price.

Always remember price is also a questions of customer target group.. I guess if we are the main target group price would be much higher. As we are not the main target group (at the moment), I think price will stay as high as possible. Means ACube selects price depending on their industrial/embedded customers, and those customers donnot care about 100 ¤ more or less...

Even if ACube or A-Eon could make their HW cheaper, they wouldn't want to destroy their prices by making it cheaper for us...

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High end Amigas have always been pricey, but hopefully x500 kind of version appears soon.
Or x2000 and price reduction of x1000. (anyway Hyperion & Co must be smart towards ACube)
Perhaps ACube is happy to start selling x1000? Or perhaps a-eon can offer cheaper production for modified SAM (to function as X500).

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All this talk about the X1000 has driven me nuts!
Personally, i spent 1300 $US in 1986 to purchase the A1000 with 512K RAM. And that was a month's sallary for me.
I can tell you, i felt the belt needed a new hole punctured to cope with the savings needed for this beauty!
While i still have the A1000 (and a couple of 'em as extra) and do not regret a moment for buying it, it was a tough decision. One that would also affect the personal and family life. Heck, i even lowered my smoking rate . But, although that amount was a lot of money back then, no matter where you people are, we all know that even 1000 $ is a lot right now. True, development costs. True, specs are high. True, a new Amiga is what's missing from this market. But it's also true that our wallets are getting thinner!!! Money nowadays can't buy you what it used to. The crisis has striken us all. Some still make more than enough for living, while the ones that barely made it are now in the edge of starving. And then, you got hobbies.. Of course we all have hobbies, and are willing to sacrifice aplenty to enjoy what makes us happy. But the way things are now, hobbies are a luxury. And don't let anyone fool you into considering the X1000 for a business machine! Unless they're some programmer and targeting the upcoming owners of the new machine. But then again, there's still alot of classic Amiga users out there, many of whom i'm sure would pay (reasonably) for a bang utility!
Anyway, my personal opinion is that this new beginning with the X1000 is strategically wrong. You want to attract customers? Go with the A500 philosophy. Target for the common users out there, there must surely be a way to come up with an economy-class platform -even based on the SAM board. If SAM is considered the entry-level machine, then this whole attempt won't last. Unless 700 quid buys you a SAM-based all-in-one A500-style compact machine boxed, ready to run with all the necessary goodies in there (OS included), there's no hope.
Some of you might argue intensely on this, but deep down inside you know it's wrong; we need a computer for the masses as another fellow-user mentioned. High-end can come later on down the line.
I for one am not willing to puncture another hole in my belt this time, i'd rather save a bit more just in case i can replace my now tweakin' and squeekin' automobile..

@TheDaddy

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TheDaddy wrote: @vox >>While SAM is also overpriced On what basis do you come to this conclusion? Do you know how much it costs to produce one SAM? If the SAM costs £10 to produce then it's overpriced, if, on the other hand, it costs £200 then it isn't. And again we can't compare it to the Wintel and Apple products.

Well, we kind of can. There is Apple hardware available that cost a fraction of a Sam and offers also the ability to run 68k software directly by a certain OS. Sure, the ppc Apples ain't new, but still they are available. A Mac mini G4 1.5 GHz is to get for 200 EUR!
When a new product just cannot compete aganst some "old junk" I'd say something very general went wrong.

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@Caveman

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Caveman wrote: @amigauser The price of x1000 is not yet announced. It's all speculations. All they said on the A-eon site,was that the price would be a bit cheaper than what the A1000 was sold for in 1985. If this is with,or without inflation is still unknown.

I agree. I guess that someone just put the 1985 A1000 price into an inflation calculator and thats how they found the USD 2500 number. Its nothing more acurate than that.

The A1000 was introduced at $1295 I think.
Pu that into http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm and the 2009 result is $2585. Deduct a few dollars since they said it should be cheaper than the A1000 was and you get $2500. But that should be considered the maximum price in any case if they stick to their statement.

@amyren

All thats assuming that they used the $-price as a basis.

AFAIK the A1000 was introduced in Germany at roughly 6000DM (remember the exchange rates were quite differnet), which would translate to 3000Euro or 4300$ without even taking infaltion into it.

disclaimer:

No I don't think it will be THAT expensive

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@vox

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I like that people would pay whatever needed for new Amiga system but in Eastern half of Europe salary is 300-500 euros

This is the problem of trying to have even market prices in an uneven world.
While I understand that it won't be possible to have a cheap X1000, I sincerely hope that Hyperion/A-Eon make all efforts to come up with a price tag that is reponsible and within reason.

@Zylesea

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When a new product just cannot compete aganst some "old junk" I'd say something very general went wrong.

Show me Mac Mini with 128 MB GFX RAM and I will buy one...

@damocles Quote:

If A-EON only plans to sell to those who are interested in OS4, they can charge whatever they feel like it because it's a full lock on the market. If they wanted to sell it to the outside world, then cost compared to PCs is extremely valid.

Congratulations on missing the *entire* point of my post

We are NOT targetting "the outside world", because we lack all of the apps & technology that are expected. Hence we have higher prices.

At some point we will hopefully get most of the apps & technology expected, and thus we can then target the outside world with lower prices.

Putting it at a lower price in the beginning would be completely pointless!

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@WillKar
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we need a computer for the masses as another fellow-user mentioned

Maybe. But you'll have to come up with something that is way beyond what is out there right now, because the masses already have a computer (or three).

@gerograph Quote:

Maybe prices of SAM will drop down once the X1000 is available..

I doubt this, although I would love to be wrong.

My best case is that high price of X1000 forces "fence sitters" to realise that nothing cheaper is coming along, and so they finally buy a Sam440. If there were sufficiently large numbers, then that could help ACube bring the price down.

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Zylesea Quote: When a new product just cannot compete aganst some "old junk" I'd say something very general went wrong. Show me Mac Mini with 128 MB GFX RAM and I will buy one...

Get a PowerMac G4 instead. Even cheaper...

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@Zylesea

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Get a PowerMac G4 instead. Even cheaper...

Where?

@pavlor

Ebay for a start?

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@ChrisH

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We are NOT targetting "the outside world", because we lack all of the apps & technology that are expected. Hence we have higher prices.

Then how many do you think they will sell to the OS4 community?

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@Zylesea

Link, please.

@bitman

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Who cares about the price - it's a real Amiga, I pay "whatever" it costs.

A priceless comment for Amiga hardware manufacturers

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@Plaz

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Plaz wrote: @amigauser I heard that's just for the shipping cost. It comes in a very big box. Plaz

The box is similar to this hackerbox but much bigger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvKL7To6VbM

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