@steril606

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steril606 wrote: Actually the route they take is quite sensible (getting the Commodore and Amiga Brand, using AROS as OS, using standard PC hardware).

Well the route Amino took was also quite sensible back than, untying Amiga from it's legacy and targeting the emerging mobile-market.

Yeah, but not if the people involved are a bunch of crooks only in for the fast money, giving themself fancy titles and being generally clueless.

Any similarities to current events is pure coincidence .......

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@Kronos

It scares me to be on your side of the fence this time around...

Well, yeah.. still hope the best, but I just can't see it.

@tonyw

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It's hard to imagine anyone putting money into developing AROS. Why the hell should they? What could they possibly get in return? A modern Amiga-like OS that runs on x86?

Yes that's excatly what they'd get. But I don't see them put any money into it, if they were serious about AROS they would have hired devs already.
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Fat chance. AROS has at least NNN years to catch up, where NNN = (2010 - date when OS 3.1 was released). And that's assuming that AROS is at the same stage now that OS3.1 was when it was released!

Yeah yeah, you talk like your alternative was sooooo way ahead but I don't see it. If you don't want AROS why do you have to mock it here. Can't you just leave it be ?
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If I bought a decent x86 PC, I'd want to run Windows 7 on it. What advantage could AROS possibly offer me over Windows? Using Windows, I can run ANYTHING, even Classic Amiga games!

I want to run Windows and AROS dual boots just fine with it, and on my laptop too. What advantage would (xxx) --"insert your colour here" have over the mainstream OSes ? I mean in reality not in "emotion land"

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@Argosy

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There's nothing linking AmigaOne X1000 and Amiga 1000

Hmm. Both running AmigaOS natively?

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@Manu

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If I bought a decent x86 PC, I'd want to run Windows 7 on it. What advantage could AROS possibly offer me over Windows? Using Windows, I can run ANYTHING, even Classic Amiga games! I want to run Windows and AROS dual boots just fine with it, and on my laptop too. What advantage would (xxx) --"insert your colour here" have over the mainstream OSes ? I mean in reality not in "emotion land"

None. Don't get me wrong, if I wanted to run modern software, I would buy a decent PC and install Windows and (name the app). I run Amigas only because I like designing and writing software. Years ago I used to enjoy designing and building hardware, but that's out of my reach these days.

I get more fun out of writing my own than buying the Windows application. I get a buzz out of designing and writing components for AmigaOS, that's why I do it. The little formal computing I do, I can do on an Amiga, without having to run Windows.

My Windows laptop was only used when I went on holiday, but these days it is just as easy to take the Sam, unless I need wireless.

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serk118 wrote: @Argosy Quote: The only newcomers you'll ever get will be via the X86 path i agree...... @DiskDoctor Quote: I don't want fresh blood, I want the old pals back. please dont get me wrong but than why dont you just buy real 68k amiga500 or amiga1200 and play with your pals if you dont want to see amiga shineup again well i hope it will one day.

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@Argosy

[Now that I have read the C_USA news...]

OK there are two concepts:

1) Old-mate path which is trying to attract old-amigans for Amiga-like OSes, mostly for fun and entertainment purposes. This includes devs also so after reaching some critical mass of users and system quality, then the new people attaining phase

2) x86 only... Now that C_USA supports AROS* and possesses Amiga name (we'll see if Hyperion will take any actions), it is possible to boost all your prior ideas, just like ANY unknown Linux distro gets known when it's bundled with the top selling HW. But then, the PPC systems will be extremely hard to catchup. As long as C_USA WILL indeed sell high numbers and AROS will get its chance to become beta in less than 6 months (which I highly doubt despite of suggested C_USA funding)

* see: aros-exec

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@Argosy

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Argosy wrote: @terminills ... But if they want to succeed, they better use some other OS as their preferred choice. It's 2010, about time Amiga branded products came with a modern OS again. A Commodore linux distro, I can live(and develop) with that.

And what exactly do you think makes a x86 machine running Linux an Amiga???
The Commodore label glued on it???

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@Dandy

And what exactly do you think makes a x86 machine running Darwin an Apple Macintosh?

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@Hammer

Nothing. It's an Apple Intel PC - not a Macintosh.

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@cha05e90

*checks under the desk*. No, it's still a Macintosh.

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@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: @Dandy And what exactly do you think makes a x86 machine running Darwin an Apple Macintosh?

Nothing! Darwin is not MacOSX as TripOS is not AmigaOS. And any x86 is not an Apple computer

PD: but is not a good comparison Because the Macintosh and MAC name are not in limbo as is the Amiga name

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Make AROS the default OS, make Linux and Windows preinstallable options.

Get cooperation with AmigaOS4.1 on PPC for updated features in AROS ,
(not very likely if Hermans already said they'll sue, and damned be that ! We dont need another lawsuit, that will be the end).

Set the basic hardware very low so it will be cheap,
but not ATOM only because its so slow.
Dualcore Celeron or a singlecore sempron or celeron900. (?) Make sure there is a nice basic GPU.

Get cooperation with OS4.1 camp, MorphOS camp, atleast ask if they want to be part of a new Commodore Amiga brand.

Meaning : Set up a AROS devteam that can have participants from MorphOS and AMIGAOS camps.

Set up a list of what AROS needs to be usable for basic computing.
Email, websurfing, programming, emulation, websurfing, music listening, videoplaying.
Set a reasonable basic set of features and make sure that set is bugfree.

Offer AEON the opportunity to sell AmigaONE X1000 as Amiga X1000 OS4 series compatible computer on PPC.

My Wishes:

The Commodore AMIGA line -
- AROS x86 computers, fully native with option of Windows / Linux / BSD
- AROS / AmigaOS classic series / 68k NatAmi
- AmigaOS4 series ppc X1000

The Commodore C64 line -
- The PC64 C64 replica running Linux / Windows / AROS / VICE
- A exact C64 8 bit replica in a FPGA (?) Arcade Retro Gaming

And another thing:
The C64 replica should not have the drawbacks the C64 keyboard had,
better typing, but VERY close look otherwise, and the 8bit edtion (that I want),
should have the same symbols printed on it.

And to answer another question I saw somewhere:
"What makes recent Apple x86 computers Macintoshes?"
Two things: They run the OS and they are produced by Apple.

And last but not least:
Make a case for NatAmi.
And sell it as : Commodore Amiga Classic platform - NatAmi 2010

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@tonyw

I mostly agree with you. I imagine that the AROS statements are mainly
a marketing attempt to obtain a few more sales. Its hard to believe that
that is their main business plan. It doesn't matter how well I prognosticate,
however. What will be we'll see. I wish everyone and their projects/products
success.

Nathan

@NathanH and @all

Okay, I think it is best I clarify some things.
AROS will not and does not play any part in our business plan.
I doubt 99% of customers will even know what AROS is.
It's the best little OS you never heard about.

We can support it and give it a boost in users by making it Commodore's official OS.
With a stronger userbase many things become possible for creating an eco-system that benefits all flavours of Amiga operating system.
AROS is a geek toy of course....nothing wrong with that......but please realise that not all our customers will necessarily be geeks.

We can steer new users to AROS by pre-installing it as a boot option with Ubuntu.
AROS will be something returning Amiga people can play around and tinker with.
Even if it is predominantly used as a retro emulation front-end.
That returning Amiga fans may recognise and enjoy these retro aspects is the best we can hope for.
But at the end of the day, you know they are going to run Windows.
Of course they are. And that is fine.
You just can't compete with that at this stage and we're not saying we have to.
I believe the Amiga should be about empowerment regardless of OS.
We can lay the roads for AROS, but we cannot *make* people travel on them.
The same for Ubuntu which will also be pre-installed.
You don't have to pay a Microsoft tax if you don't want to.

It is also important to point out, what you most likely already know, that most returning Amiga owners never even seriously used the AmigaOS.
The Amiga, to many, was the games console of the day, and our new Amiga machines will be more than capable of fulfilling that role again. We'll have decent specs and expandable graphics, all in a neat retro keyboard form factor...(to begin with).
I doubt we'll be obscenely priced but as it is a niche product we're not about to compete with your corner shop PC....which you're quite welcome to.

So the reality check is that it is doubtful that AROS has any ROI for us.
The effort is entirely driven by a desire to stay true to the Amiga's legacy and support the existing community as much as possible. Certainly not destroy it as a lot of people are claiming.
AROS will not sell us ANY machines!!!!! We did not have to do AROS AT ALL.
In fact AROS is an incredibly hard sell. Of course it is....even in the community.
To an outsider all Amiga-like OSes are like hieroglyphics.
We are the ones taking the gamble on it.

Now, when we have some more money to spend, then of course we'll give AROS a boost.
A boost the likes of which has not been seen.
But, I clearly need to remind you that we are currently in start up mode.
These trademarks only came together in the last week or two.
And you are asking more of us than Pascal and Stephen combined before we even sell a single new machine with or without AROS.
We got AROS some publicity and we will continue to, and hopefully this will lead to some renewed interest in all things Amiga, and some new developers joining the community.

However, let us get some sales first, say with the PC64, with or without AROS and let's see what incredible things both Commodore and the community can achieve together to create the ultimate Amiga experience for ANY PC.

Rome was not built in a day....and believe it or not we're in it for the long haul.

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@Mr_DBUG

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Get cooperation with OS4.1 camp, MorphOS camp, atleast ask if they want to be part of a new Commodore Amiga brand.

We contacted these camps before the announcement.

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@Mr_DBUG

Look, we're not opposed to Natami, X1000 mobos or anything in our cases.
Quite the contrary....we'd love that.
And we even approached Hyperion about it at least a month ago.
But first, show me a motherboard that has been shaken out by any of these projects.

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@BigBentheAussie

Did you contact Acube?

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@Mr_DBUG

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The C64 replica should not have the drawbacks the C64 keyboard had, better typing, but VERY close look otherwise, and the 8bit edtion (that I want),

We're going to use a very nice mechanical keyboard that looks very similar to the original which makes a nice click sound.
We're determined to make it a usable PC with proper cursor keys etc.


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should have the same symbols printed on it.

Enough with the stickers.

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@number6

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Did you contact Acube?

No. I feel it's a little too low specced and esoteric to sell well outside the community.
You're welcome to buy one of our cases and put one in of course.

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@BigBentheAussie

But dont underestimate the Commodore / Amiga / 8bit geek market,
who of us who remain is not really a geek of sorts ?

Could I say 3/4 of us is mainly interested in the old days and would use a locally produced PC for the recent stuff ?

So if I understand right - the market for what you will make is simply general mainstream PC users and someone who no longer uses Commodore or Amiga
but fondly remembers the old brands ?

Anyway, make sure you make the basic configuration very cheap,
cheap but still capable .. That is an Amiga characteristic.
And fully AROS compatible. Even though AROS is not your main thing. I realize money will have to come in to make serious dev work.

It would be UBERCOOL though if I could buy a C64 replica with Arcade Retro Gaming inside (www.arcaderetrogaming.com) They are a startup that make an FGPA replica of C64. I havent bought their product yet, but I might if its good and works as its supposed to.
But imagine a C64 replica case with a SD card slot and a FPGA based 8bit inside.