@Argosy

The point here is to show some support from Commodore USA.
It have to start somewhere.
Before we seen some nice donations to AROS bounties from companies.

We all know AROS can not be the default OS.
Just put it on a little partition on the HDD, with a possibility to boot it, if wanted.

It could even come on a usb masstorage device. Boundled with some games or whatever as a nice bonus to the buyers.

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@amigang

Would be sadly hilarious and ironic that those who give the final lunge to the Amiga were commodoreUSA

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28% has voted that is wrong to see a PC as an Amiga brand.

What are hardware difference between current hardware Amiga powerpc and generic x86?

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The fact that they native run AmigaOS.

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@amigang

Nooooo!!! a PC branded Amiga, is wrong! Very wrong!!

IMHO

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@amigang

An X86 Amiga running windows 7 will just cause confusion.
(For me its bit like eating fruit whit out having taste.)

My definition of Amiga is a computer that runs AmigaOS 1.0 to 4.1, as it is now we have more then one company delivering motherboards for the AmigaOS4 market, I don't like the idea that one hardware vendor has right to the brand name and one does not (ACube & EAON), when they are competing for the same market.

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My definition of Amiga is a computer that runs AmigaOS 1.0 to 4.1

As of now, Agreed. But... what happens when you want to use flash, JAVA, develop web applications, play new games... then you are stuck with Linux or Windows. What's so wrong in having a chance to do all that on a Amiga branded machine? Or is it that Amigas these days are considered only as toys for retro computing. I say, if there's a chance to change that and bring more people to the community, let's do it.

There will always be those people opposed to changes... To them I say, what would you think of today's Amiga compared to the Amiga 1000 when it debuted 25 years ago? How would you explain that back then Amiga was 10 years ahead of the pack in some aspects and that today Amiga is 10 years behind in all aspects? Is that Amiga? Is that the same concept and philosophy that gave birth to Amiga in the first place? I say, hell no! Sure, going X86 and using Linux or Windows OS is not going ahead of anyone, but at least it isn't falling back. And it is a good start for a new Amiga. If you don't like it, then the solution is pretty simple. There's SAM460 and X1000 and AmigaOS... Nobody is forcing you into anything.

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@Argosy

Oh, this will be funny. Having an "Amiga" that doesn't run AmigaOS and having Not-Amigas (PPC) *and* Amigas (68k) running AmigaOS. Oh, dear.

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Riiight...
So lets say that A hardware vendor (re-seller) making a non Amiga compatible x86 system
It seems a bit pointless to me, unless your into AROS, but that's not really a true Amiga, saying it runs on an Amiga re-branded PC will not legitimise it as genuine either. (IMHO)

Wizz.

(Ok here we go again, my opinion if you don't agree with it, well tough nuts)

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@Argosy

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Argosy wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Quote: My definition of Amiga is a computer that runs AmigaOS 1.0 to 4.1 As of now, Agreed. But... what happens when you want to use flash, JAVA, develop web applications, play new games... then you are stuck with Linux or Windows. What's so wrong in having a chance to do all that on a Amiga branded machine? Or is it that Amigas these days are considered only as toys for retro computing. I say, if there's a chance to change that and bring more people to the community, let's do it. There will always be those people opposed to changes... To them I say, what would you think of today's Amiga compared to the Amiga 1000 when it debuted 25 years ago? How would you explain that back then Amiga was 10 years ahead of the pack in some aspects and that today Amiga is 10 years behind in all aspects? Is that Amiga? Is that the same concept and philosophy that gave birth to Amiga in the first place? I say, hell no! Sure, going X86 and using Linux or Windows OS is not going ahead of anyone, but at least it isn't falling back. And it is a good start for a new Amiga. If you don't like it, then the solution is pretty simple. There's SAM460 and X1000 and AmigaOS... Nobody is forcing you into anything.

So for you Amiga is only the name. A windows 7 beige PC box with An amiga stiker bring you all the amiga experience, isn´t it?

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@cha05e90

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Oh, this will be funny. Having an "Amiga" that doesn't run AmigaOS and having Not-Amigas (PPC) *and* Amigas (68k) running AmigaOS. Oh, dear.

Yeah, it will be funny. But there's a way out. An X86 AmigaOS written from scratch or a modified amiga-inspired existing OS(DragonFly BSD, Haiku, ...). Maybe even a rebirth of Anubis OS?

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saying it runs on an Amiga re-branded PC will not legitimise it as genuine either. (IMHO)

Well, if they do get the Amiga name, it's genuine in the eyes of the law and that of the general public. You and I may be thinking it's not, but that doesn't matter in the grander scheme of things.

@Fransexy

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So for you Amiga is only the name. A windows 7 beige PC box with An amiga stiker bring you all the amiga experience, isn´t it?

No... I specifically stated numerous times that Amiga running Windows would be very wrong(I'd be OK with a bespoke Linux distro). But Amiga OS which is 10 years behind mainstream OS' isn't a real Amiga experience either. It's a retro experience, not that of what Amiga stood for back in the 80s and early 90s. So, which one is the lesser evil? IMHO, the continuation of the PowerPC+Amiga OS 4.x means almost certain extinction of the Amiga brand in the future.

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What would make a x86 PC running windows 7 an "Amiga"??
Ridiculous ...

Now If they made cool Amiga cases for NatAmi, MiniMig (some kind of ultimate redesign MiniMig with Arm etc and FPGA arcadeboard) and a tower case for Sam, making all the stuff into a total lineup, with classic compatibles and NGs, then Im behind it.
If they seriously are going to make a PC64 C64 replica as well, Id like them to make a 8bit compatible edition as well with a C64 FPGA inside !! Talk to Arcade Retro Gaming guys ? And maybe hire Jeri Ellsworth

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hey! it seems my "lottery question" is coming true! if they sell an amiga branded x86 computer with AROS, THAT would become "the real Amiga", since it would have "the name". At least I hope that all those meaningless people arguing that name was the 1st important thing, will just shut up as proof of coherence. thanks.

@paolone

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At least I hope that all those meaningless people arguing that name was the 1st important thing, will just shut up as proof of coherence. thanks.

Sorry to broke your hope, I still think (and will think) that name ist "the 1st important thing"...

About possible x86 "Amiga" from CommodoreUSA: if they get proper licence, why not? But that doesn´t mean I will buy it.

@Argosy

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Amiga was 10 years ahead of the pack in some aspects, I don't agree,

Vga was introduced in 1987 (256 color), ECS chip-set was half bright 64 color, Ham was not that great it was slow, and around 1993 most pc's where able to display true color.
Maybe 5 years in consumer electronics.
As for multitasking Unix system where doing that long before Amiga was invented, (AmigaOS is tripos based, a Unix descendent)

The best thing about Amiga was that it was dissent at a good price compared to professional computer systems.

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today Amiga is 10 years behind in all aspects?

I don't agree whit this, there is great improvements in graphics, sound, modern hardware.

There are big improvement in memory management
(AmigaOS4.1 uses the same memory system as Solaris),

Today AmigaOS is able to take advantage of all modern storage medias from USB, SSD to DVD's

Resource tracking is also some has improved,
We have where informative crash handler that display more information then most operating systems today.

And compared to most operating systems to day it where light wight and fast.
Rewriting Linux application has become a lot easier over years, clib / newlib has greatly improved and hold good level of compatibility.

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@Phantom

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And who is CommodoreUSA which they will produce crap PCs under the Amiga name; that's totally ridiculous.

I don't believe into keayboard case retro computers, but after all this enthusiastic reactions I saw I would not be suprised if they could sell 10 times the numbers of Amiga_Gaming_Fantasy_Case Computers then A-Eon might sell A1X1K.

And worse of all, CommodoreUSA branded Amigas they might be cheaper and have more performance.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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I don't agree whit this, there is great improvements in graphics, sound, modern hardware.

There is, on all Amiga-oid systems, that's true...

But they're still waaaaayyyy behind.

And even if we assume(hypothetically) that Hyperion is working on a completely new AmigaOS, good chances are it will be outdated the day they release it... A market as small as Amiga is today simply cannot sustain or produce competitive SW/HW. That's reality.

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My vision is to have:
A Commodore Amiga with the latest and greatest hardware.
A Commodore Amiga that runs an Amiga inspired OS.
A Commodore Amiga that runs the latest and greatest video games.
A Commodore Amiga that allows a user to fulfill their creative potential.
A Commodore Amiga that is 100% Commodore compatible out of the box.

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@BigBentheAussie
A Commodore Amiga that has a PPC processor an Amiga OS 4.1?
Hmm?

Wizz.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Vga was introduced in 1987 (256 color), ECS chip-set was half bright 64 color, Ham was not that great it was slow, and around 1993 most pc's where able to display true color.

VGA was used in "common PCs" since 1990.
Most PCs in 1993 used plain SVGA cards with 512 kB RAM (256 colours, resolutions up to 1024x768).

However, some features (GFX) of the Commodore´s top-line (A3000 and A4000) were really outdated. A1200 was only Amiga computer (since A500) competitive with then day´s (1992) PCs.


@Argosy

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today Amiga is 10 years behind in all aspects?

It is not that bad - 440EP in SAM is comparable with PIII class CPU (used by common PCs in 2001), R200 was used in common PCs since 2003/2004.