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Re: OSnews.com sez: X1000 to be based on PA6T
Posted on 22-Dec-2010 12:49:10
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@polka.

so apple has shut it down so noo 8 core cpu from pa.semi then
i wonder how much that low power cpu can be overcloked
is helgis still banned ??? *smile*

but xmos is sounding exciteing allso...

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Re: OSnews.com sez: X1000 to be based on PA6T
Posted on 22-Dec-2010 12:51:17
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Maybe PowerPC A2 or PowerPC e5500. Or even better AMD Fusion with OS5

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@IslandDreamer

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why would anyone build a new system based around a discontinued processor?


Point to a "better" PC chip today. This thing is G5, 64bit, altivec, 24 SERDES with up to 8 PCIe slots, Gb Ethernet, 10Gb ethernet, 2@DDR2 controllers, hogh lock rates and low power consumption.

Other PPC chips today met or beat a feature or two, but overall do not IMHO surpass the PA6T 1682m feature set.

I do have hopes that Freescale's 64bit QorIQ will get Altivec back, and then we'll have potential for some competition.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 13:02:38
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Me wants a QS22 Blade Server. Well, even a couple of PowerXCell 8i would be fine. And a contract with ESA.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 13:06:09
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Maybe, but will be possible to change just the CPU later with a newer one in your X1000?

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 13:50:57
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I do not think so, however the X1000 should be able to keep us good company for the next 4 years

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 14:01:41
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Ok, much clearer now, but still have a little worry about future availability. Will be there plenty of x1000 units to serve the community?. I mean, these processor from what i read is little old, would be limited quantities?. I would want to know more on this as i'm also interested in the x1000 system.
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Re: OSnews.com sez: X1000 to be based on PA6T
Posted on 22-Dec-2010 14:03:39
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Now that's very Amiga like!

By the way, in the email I received from Aeon they reveal the PA6T as a "2GHZ" CPU, is this the new official clock?

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@Arko

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I would like to know if they have got new chips or they were used.


They're new chips.

@Phantom

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PA6T's CPU according to WikiPedia has Little/Big endian operation (bi-endian).

That means that porting to our platform will be a more easier task than now?


Almost every PowerPC chip has that. You can strap it to an endian mode. Some can be changed in software. It won't change the effort required though, it will always run in big endian mode.

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Or they have a machine to develop bi-endian version of AmigaOS which hopefully could mean easier support of many different architectures (well a little bit easier at least).


What is a bi-endian version of AmigaOS?

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@Painkiller

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That doesn't sound good. I sure hope they have already selected a replacing CPU for the system.


Do you really think they would spent this amount of money on development if there was an issue with CPU supply, or a follow-up CPU?

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 14:22:12
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When Amiga 1000 was released back in the 1985 it had 6 years old CPU, so this actually makes sense :)

Motorola 68000 was released in 1979 and it was good enough many years later...

Merry Xmas
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@Rogue

Quote:

Rogue wrote:
@Painkiller

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That doesn't sound good. I sure hope they have already selected a replacing CPU for the system.


Do you really think they would spent this amount of money on development if there was an issue with CPU supply, or a follow-up CPU?

Yes, because this is the Amiga Community!

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Rogue wrote:
What is a bi-endian version of AmigaOS?

LOL!

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 15:53:30
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Maybe, but will be possible to change just the CPU later with a newer one in your X1000?


No. I say that based on pictures we've seen of the motherboard thus far. These SoC chips each have their own specific BGA pin arrangment, there's very few that are pin (ball) compatible and those are all in the same family from the same manufacturer. PA Semi may very well have made other pin compatible chips if they'd stayed on their own.

The only way to get upgradability as you are thinking is to abstract the CPU, and for us that means some CPU module PCB that one might compare to classic accelerator boards. You dhave to define a standard pinout for your connection to motherboard, and some SoC chips may need companion devices to satisfy that pinout.

Some example features in such a modular connection:
One SoC may have SATA built-in, and I'd think you'd want to use that, another may not, so you need either a PCI(e) card or a companion SATA chip on the CPU module board.

You may want a variety of PCI/PCIe slots on the motherbaord, and if the SoC has those built-in, you'd want to use those, so include them in motherboard connector. PA6T/1682m gives you up to 8 PCIe slots via 24 SERDES, so you could have a few x1 slots and a x16 slot, as X1000 demonstrates. An 8640 has two PCIe ports each at x8, so to have the same slot configuration as X1000 you'd need to add a PCIe switch to get the additional ports, you cannot just split one of those x8 ports into many x1 or x4 ports because the controller does not allow that like PA6T does.

8610 has a built-in PCI32 bus, 8640 does not. You'd want to use it from 8610, but would have to add a bridge on the CPU module for 8640 and PA6T.

Lots of other things are quite standardized now, such as HD Audio, DVI, USB2/3, etc. that could all go on the module to make use of SoC internal features yet still allow an upgrade path. This all basically makes the module the actual computer, and the motherboard little more than whatever connectors you desire. I like that. This allows you to do the hard work once, and have easier work for the motherboard, which makes it easier to offer a variety such as ATX, MiniITX, FlexATX, LAPTOP, etc.

There are already many such module standards in existence, such as ETX, Q-Seven, etc. Some already have PowerPC implementations ready to use. I've hinted and suggested such an idea to a few at Hyperion in the past, and I'd like to see them consider that for successor to X1000. I've tried to keep some of the details to myself for ages, but I'm not being very successful at designing all my own stuff alone, I hope the idea picks up with someone that has more time and money than I do.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 16:37:05
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What is a bi-endian version of AmigaOS?

Bi-endian Amigas sounds like some pr0n site.

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Bi-endian Amigas sounds like some pr0n site



@Rogue
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What is a bi-endian version of AmigaOS?

I think I didn't mean it literally. Maybe two versions of AmigaOS supporting both endianess and a chance to support many different CPU architectures. Maybe I've misunderstood what bi-endian operation of PPC CPU's means in practice. I think we weren't Amigans if we were not dreaming all the time.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 19:23:25
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Notes From AmiWest Videos


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They are working on supporting many more cores than just two, going for maximm flexibility. (Early dual core or processor systems were rather rigid and behaved poorly). There are successor PPC CPUs to the dual core processor used in the first A1-X1000s, such as the following from Freescale:

The P4 series: example P4080 - 8 core, 1.5 GHz, under 30 watts

The P5 series: first multicore example P5020 - dual core, 64 bit, pin & software compatible with P4 series, 2-2.2 GHz


I recollect someone saying that the second of these is "practically" identical with the PA Semi. The qualifier I have inserted as the impression conveyed to me.

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 19:30:34
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People have commented on believing much of the time that the chip is the PA Semi, yet i doubt any have publically claimed so. I was bemused just now to come upon this perhaps relevant quote from a play by Bernard Shaw:

"There are no secrets better kept than the secrets that everybody guesses"
Mrs Warren's Profession, Act III

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Posted on 22-Dec-2010 19:53:13
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The truth has been out there for a long time...

First Pciscan stuff...

...And secondly if you look carefully "Twenty-five years of development" video, you'll see PA6T there at 6:53 (on the right)

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140&Itemid=18




BR,
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