If we "save" enough, we could get one of these for BigD for Xmas.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Accoutrements-10746-Jesus-Action-Figure/dp/B0006FUEV4/ref=sr_1_9?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1355133990&sr=1-9

PS. Does not include stoning accessory nor homo-blaster (as seen in BigD's avatar).

I wonder if it comes with a "conversion kit"

@BillE

What did Jesus do that was so bad that he should have BigD inflicted upon him?

@Thread

The BBC continues its biased reporting of Cameron's failure to honour his promise not to push for legislation on gay marriage ceremonies on religious premises. Rather than focus on Cameron's untrustworthy flip-flopping they have a one sided interview with a militant homosexual academic who actually calls for litigation against churches as a worthwhile outcome of this charade! If this isn't evidence enough that there is a sick 'gay rights agenda' behind all of this then I don't know what is! Professor Eric Anderson doesn't even believe in monogamy himself;

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"I believe it is important to share the results of my research with the public. This helps challenge homophobia, sexism, heterosexism, and monogamism in order to help improve standards of equality for everyone."

His divisive and intolerant stance on his preferred treatment of Bible believing churches exposes the sham of this crazy post-modernistic attitude of "whatever is good for you," as unworkable and dangerous. He doesn't hold marriage in any more high regard than the promiscuous 'gay lifestyle' that he writes about and promotes! Marriage is just another trinket to obtain in the war against the monogamous heterosexual nuclear family and the tolerant society that we have built upon it! The BBC should be ashamed of this shoddy journalism and their peddling of this one-sided hateful gay agenda bile!

BBC: Father argues case for gay marriage & for litigation against churches

Pray for marriage and the UK. Our politicians are completely out of touch with the majority of the UK population and David Cameron has made the Conservatives completely unelectable in the next election. This is the complete opposite of what he thinks he's doing In the same way the liberals on this thread think this is about freedom and tolerance while attempting to usher in a era of intolerance and persecution on those who don't agree with the destruction of the family unit and marriage itself!

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Thread The BBC continues its biased reporting of Cameron's failure to honour his promise not to push for legislation on gay marriage ceremonies on religious premises. Rather than focus on Cameron's untrustworthy flip-flopping

Jeebus...

In the very same paragraph you are claiming the BBC is biased in reporting QUOTE " Camerons failure" and you then go on to complain that the BBC DON'T show bias about "Camerons untrustworthy flip-flopping"...

You really have toddled off the deep end end BigD... take two asprins and seek psychiatric help immediately...

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@Franko

So you think it's acceptable for a gay rights activist to use two babies to garner political hit points and empathy? Is is unbiased reporting to allow Professor Eric Anderson free reign to rant that he feels Churches should be litigated against for not accepting his world view? It is not bias to report Cameron's flip-flopping but simply a recording of fact. He promised that he would only be looking at marriages conducted in register offices and civil marriage ceremonies and he has renegaded on that statement. He pushes an agenda that was not even in his manifesto and the BBC simply accept it all and allow Professor Eric Anderson to rant about his concept of a new Civil Rights Movement with no counter argument! Do you really think that is good journalism?

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@BigD

Is the gist of this thread that gay marriage is costing the British Taxpayer a whopping 3 million pounds (or is it 3 million US, which would be like 1.2 Million pounds) a year?!

WLOG, I am guessing the arguments go like so:
"I don't want my taxpayer dollars spent on gay people"

Well, all I can say is good luck with that. I don't want my tax dollars spent on people from New Jersey or on global wars or on stupid stealth planes.

Honestly, churches SHOULD be litigated against. If they want to shove their beliefs into politics with either rhetoric or money, they can pay their property and income taxes and be subject to legal action for backing absurd claims of 6000 year earths and Intelligent design and gay demons. Hell, the Catholic church should be defunded along with the COE - they can live in sackcloth and preach on street corners like the real christians did. Put that money towards decluttering humanities minds from all that malarkey.

@BigD

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In the same way the liberals on this thread think this is about freedom and tolerance while attempting to usher in a era of intolerance and persecution on those who don't agree with the destruction of the family unit and marriage itself!

As one of those liberals I can confidently say I disagree on your conclusion. And for my evidence I go back to the USA where States with gay marriage are some of the least divorced and least likely to raise a kid with a single parent. It appears marriage is slower to fall apart in those States with gay marriage.

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So you think it's acceptable for a gay rights activist to use two babies to garner political hit points and empathy?

You've spent many a post describing how horrid this will be for the children. You may not want to chastise this tactic too harshly as it's one you've embraced in this discussion. Repeatedly you've rolled out "Think of the Children" as a political shield.

And the churches should be litagated against. We live in a Western Country where faith does not get to be enforced on the people. If you want to live like that please read up on the Dark Ages and take a look at what's happening in the Middle East. Instead we live in a nation of diverse faiths and those of us with no faith at all. The laws must reflect the best possible situation for those faiths to exist. Your God doesn't get to set the rules for me. Though if you want he can set the rules for you. So if you want a nuclear family go do it. Nothing within this law is stopping that from happening.

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@BigD

You really do see the entire world from a very blinkered viewpoint, don't you BigD...

Prospective MPS, MPs, prospective Prime Ministers & Prime Ministers have been using babies since the advent of politics to gain points, empathy but more importantly to them... votes and yet you only manage to see one man using such shallow tactics...

Strange how you think only certain things are biased reporting, yet because of those blinkers you wear you don't see all the biased reporting for example during an election year, where you beloved Mr Cameron and his lackies had tons of highly biased reporting in their favour as the same media you whine about gave them free reign to express all their biased views on those very policies you perhaps voted for....

If all politicians had lived up to all the false claims and promises they ever made during the election process, than long before now we would all be living in a complete and utter utopia and you would be feeling all happy and content instead of cranky & crazy...

That's the problem you have though, you simply can't see that until it affects something that falls into that tiny narrow field of view you have caused by those blinkers and when it does you go off on an almost 9 month long rant about it...

Wake up and smell the coffee BigD, politicians & the news media tell us all blatant lies and utter gobshite at times, it just so happens for you personally right now it's your favourite politicians that you have discovered have been lying to you and you aint happy...

Tis the way of the world, like it or not, right or wrong but try and see the wider picture just for once and realise that the things you see as being biased are not to those you are accusing of it and indeed I have no doubt vice versa...

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@BigD

Anything that can make you so unhappy certainly makes my day!

It's just a matter of time until all this is on the statute books, and then I'll have a right chortle at your expense

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@BigD

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Marriage is just another trinket to obtain in the war against the monogamous heterosexual nuclear family

There is no war on heterosexuality. nobody is trying to make homosexuality compulsory When will you get that one simple fact through your armour plated head.
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and the tolerant society that we have built upon it!

The only reason that we have been able to build a tolerant society is because we have stopped giving in to intolerant theocratic bullies who cannot comprehend the stupidity of torturing and murdering in the name of any deity, which is what christians have been doing for centuries.
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In the same way the liberals on this thread think this is about freedom and tolerance while attempting to usher in a era of intolerance and persecution on those who don't agree with the destruction of the family unit and marriage itself!

If you have any evidence that christians are going to be treated in the way that homosexuals were treated in this country prior to 1967 then I would be glad to see it. If however you have no such evidence then feel free to stop lying, it is after all a breach of the rules of your professed religion. This is entirely about tolerance and that means that you have to learn to tolerate the simple fact that others are allowed to lead their own lives free of your unwarranted and intrusive demands. And once again nobody is trying to make homosexuality compulsory, and your marriage will not be annulled in favour of pairing you up with one of the Village People (unless you want to, of course)

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@Nimrod

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And once again nobody is trying to make homosexuality compulsory, and your marriage will not be annulled in favour of pairing you up with one of the Village People (unless you want to, of course)

No one was saying that homosexuality will be made compulsory you nutter The problem is that homosexuals and rabid liberals don't have the right to redefine marriage and allow gay agenda rubbish to be taught in our schools with people of conscience losing their jobs in the public sector due to the inevitable runaway political correctness just because a small handful of practising homosexuals within the even smaller group of monogamous practising homosexuals want a white wedding instead of a white civil partnership . Trying to cause 'marriage' to be devalued down to a "whatever you want it to mean" basis is pathetic. Definitions don't work like that and a practising homosexual is always going to know that a same-sex relationship is 'different' to a married heterosexual one. They can't produce children, their sexual organs don't fit together and their gendre personalities are not complimentary in the same way a male and female are. You can't just magic these facts away.

Homosexuals are predominantly promiscuous anyway with an average of seven different partners a year, so this redefinition and destruction of marriage is really just one more notch on the bed post for the 'gay right agenda'. If marriage rates then tail off in the same way that they have in Spain and the Netherlands then I doubt many homosexuals or liberals will shed a tear! A valued building block of our tolerant and decent society will lie in ruins and all the liberals will care about is pushing the next relationship boundary; polygamy, three parent children etc, etc until our world looks more and more like the dystopian worlds of 'Brave New World' and '1984'.

Rather than put 3.7 million £ sterling into this waste of time, why don't we put the money into same sex attraction therapy and support groups so that people struggling with these attraction issues can live a happier lives? This would be far more beneficial to the individuals rather than them being sucked into the unhealthy and hazardous gay lifestyle which increases their chances of contracting AIDS and wipes on average 20 years off their lifespan. Who would want to encourage and promote that life choice for anyone?

Marriage is defined as;

"the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others."

Accept that statement live your life, start a company, sponsor a child in a developing country, just generally do something constructive but don't kid yourself that the destruction of marriage will bring anything other than pain, misery and cause many many more children to be raised in single parent homes, cause many more to be increasingly susceptible to abuse and cause them to be more likely to be confused about their sexuality in their formative years!

Why are you pushing this agenda to keep up this sinister Cameron-Clegg-Milliband nightmare which will lead to a severe degradation in our social cohesion? Have you even thought about the implications? Do you even remember what made Britain great? Here's a clue killing almost 200,000 babies a year because society can't be bothered to take responsibility for them, while devaluing and destroying marriage to the point of irrelevancy aren't this country's finest moments!!!

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: don't have the right to redefine marriage and allow gay agenda rubbish to be taught in our schools

That's one of the things that really pissed me off back in my schooldays... who gave the religious nutters the right to try and force upon me so called "religious education"...

I never went to a catholic school just a typical non denominational primary and secondary school and yet we were still "forced" to partake in "religious education" at least once a week...

Religion should never be taught in schools, it should be a choice individuals make when they are old enough and have left school whether they choose to believe in it or not, so you can't complain about gay agenda rubbish being taught in schools when they teach religious agenda rubbish too..

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Religion should never be taught in schools, it should be a choice individuals make when they are old enough and have left school whether they choose to believe in it or not, so you can't complain about gay agenda rubbish being taught in schools when they teach religious agenda rubbish too..

Yes I can. Homosexuality isn't for the benefit of society like a faith in Jesus Christ is. Jesus came to save sinners like you and me and provide teachings to live our lives by. He saves people stuck in sinful lives whether your sin be selfishness, gluttony, homosexual activity, wrongful lusts, promiscuity, adultery, greed, idolatry, the worship of money or career or spouse or girlfriend/boyfriend or X1000 computer etc in place of God, etc. His sinless life on Earth and sacrificial death gives us a way of escape as long as we forsake these 'lifestyles', surrender them and accept that sinful though we are Jesus took the punishment for them and we owe him everything. When we come to that point and choose to live for God we no longer want to do these sinful things because we don't want to hurt God or push Him away. We might slip up every day but we are not defined by our sins and can overcome them through God's strength. No sin is considered worse than any other in God's sight but that doesn't mean we should willfully promote homosexuality in our culture on the same level as married relationship, that's simply madness! No practising homosexual is defined by the act of homosexuality and since it is simply a life choice rather than a group demographic there simply is no argument to redefine a cherished and centuries old institution to incorporate this questionable behaviour as the norm for a 'married' couple!

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@BigD

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No one was saying that homosexuality will be made compulsory you nutter

Tne way you keep ranting on about how evil we are for allowing it to be legalised, I honestly thought you had misunderstood, however I will advise you to not only refrain from persistently lying, but also quit the personal abuse. First you called me a pervert, and now you are calling me a nutter. It would be nice to think that you had some shred of decency that would lead you to apologise, but of course your sort of self righteous "christian" has no need to apologise because all of your lies are justified "for the greater good, and besides, your imaginary friend has already forgiven you, hasn't he?

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The problem is that homosexuals and rabid liberals don't have the right to redefine marriage

Allow me to correct you, parliament does have the right to pass legislation amending the definition of marriage, and it often has done. What is not permitted any more is the opinions of a minority being acceptable as a basis for discrimination. Which means that christians are permitted to have their beliefs, but are not allowed to impose their own limited thinking on others. Ladele and her fellow travellers were not persecuted for being christian, they refused to carry out the obligations of their employment and were dismissed for breach of contract, just as I would be if I decided not to do the job I am paid to do.

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Rather than put 3.7 million £ sterling into this waste of time, why don't we put the money into same sex attraction therapy and support groups so that people struggling with these attraction issues can live a happier lives?

I have got a better idea, why don't we stop subsidising the Cof E get their heirarchy out of the upper house of government, and use the money saved to set up psychiatric counselling to clear out all of the paranoid delusions and invisible friends that they keep imagining.

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Marriage is defined as; "the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others."

At the moment, and soon it will be the voluntary union of two people. And spreading this definition will not detract from the value of my marriage in any way, and the only way that it can adversely affect yours is if your wife leaves you for another woman. Is that what you are scared of?

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Do you even remember what made Britain great?

Yes, I do. It was occupying other peoples countries, massacring the populations, making the few surviving natives second class citizens in their own countries. An industrialised military structure that could overwhelm any opposition, and ignore any criticism. Or are you referring to the fact that "great" also means large and Great Britain is the largest one of the British Isles, Ireland is the next largest and they keep getting smaller until you have Rockall left.

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Here's a clue killing almost 200,000 babies a year because society can't be bothered to take responsibility for them

You don't want an abortion then don't have an abortion but you don't have the right to interfere in order to prevent other people having different beliefs.
You don't want a divorce then don't have a divorce but you don't have the right to interfere in order to prevent other people having different beliefs.
You don't want to have sex with a man then don't have have sex with a man but you don't have the right to interfere in order to prevent other people having different beliefs.

And that is the part that gets right up your nose, the fact that you don't have the right to interfere in order to prevent other people having different beliefs.

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Yes I can. Homosexuality isn't for the benefit of society like a faith in Jesus Christ is.

Despite your claims, the actual history of christianity clearly demonstrates that christianity is no benefit to society. The worst times in British history were when religion held power. This debate was about the catholic church, but most of the points raised apply to all Judaeo-Christian/Islamic organisations.

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@BigD

Did you have to choose to be heterosexual?

@Nimrod

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You don't want an abortion then don't have an abortion but you don't have the right to interfere in order to prevent other people having different beliefs.

I guess you'd argue the Allied Forces didn't have the right to stop the holocaust either because they shouldn't have meddled with German affairs?!!? You've obviously been watching too many of those British Gas adverts as you have failed to see how our society is interconnected and we live in COMMUNITIES!!! Any redefinition of marriage will have wide ranging impacts on the entire of society not just a single couple of practising homosexuals.

As to your comment about Great Britain, you slander our heritage as trash and a reign of terror and persecution and yet you advocate the right to murder millions of babies !!! You are so deluded as to what is fair and decent that it's scary. Are you so different from the totalitarian leaders of the 20th century and their warped social visions?

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BigD wrote: @Nimrod As to your comment about Great Britain, you slander our heritage as trash and a reign of terror and persecution and yet you advocate the right to murder millions of babies !!! You are so deluded as to what is fair and decent that it's scary. Are you so different from the totalitarian leaders of the 20th century and their warped social visions?

Great Britain is a contradiction terms, nothing great about it...

Deluded is the perfect description for you and all your crazy beliefs BigD, you believe in a god whom threatens his subjects with hell and damnation if they don't follow his every demand run from his/ its one entity dictatorship...

You follow an absurd concept conceived by poorly educated people from times when fear and lack of understanding of the world in which they lived led some of them to dream up the concept of religion. Which for millennia has advocated and encouraged the murder & slaughter of those that didn't fit into their absurd made up beliefs...

If anyone is warped here in the 21st century it is you and all the ignorant followers of religion, whom after all are the silly buggers still worshiping a fabled entity and the writings and heritage of those sick murderous ignorant people whom wrote their hatred in your religious texts and were responsible for the slaughter of untold millions over the millennia...

The day the human race frees itself from religion will be the day this world will truly be a safer and fairer place for all...

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@BigD

I have a very simple question for you BigD.

Why, when the Bible has only a couple of references to homosexuality in it's entirety, do you choose to continue to persecute homosexuals, but choose not to persecute women, when the Bible has many references to how women should behave that you no longer follow or expect women to?

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@SpaceDruid

I don't think BigD has even acknowledged a single question of mine.

@Rob

So a bit like praying to God then?

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