What is NoviaOS ? Is A-Eon making their own one ?!?

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I'm glad someone was awake.

Now corrected.

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Oh, yes, well spotted. What the hell is "NoviaOS"? It really looks like something I know. Hmm....

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Novia means mostly the same as amiga in Spanish. So maybe it's a joke only. Or it's their own Linux distro for the Alice laptop ?!

(Edit after Emeck's post: I used www.sanakirja.org to check the word.)

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I hope he does take it one step at a time. Lifting heavy X5000s may not be the best option at this time. Of course it will be great to see him and catch up with others such as AmigaDave too.

I hope he takes it easy on himself, too.
But he seems pretty enthusiastic to do it.

I haven't heard back from David yet, so we will have to see if its actually going to happen.

David is a great guy, very supportive, but its a lot of work for him too.
And all this is a bit last minute.

Whatever happens, I hope all of you and Trevor have a good weekend.
I'm going to try to make it next year myself.

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What is NoviaOS ? Is A-Eon making their own one ?!?

I get no page hits for "novia" on Trevor's most recent blog.

What am I missing here?

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Hi,

Look at the linuxy picture ;) Even sysmon is now called monsys in this screen.

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Petrol.

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Thank you.

That explains why google can't find it. heh.

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@Tomppeli

That is not correct. "Novia" is the term in spanish for bride or fiancee. In some spanish speaking countries it could be used also for girlfriend.

"Amiga" is the female word for friend. An amiga is a friend, a female friend. You don't call "novia" all you female friends or you could get in trouble!

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google search for NoviaOS images confirms that.
Pretty much just wedding pictures.

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Tomppeli wrote: @cha05e90 Novia means mostly the same as amiga in Spanish.

”Amiga” means friend (of female gender).
”Novia” means more like girlfriend (i.e. more in the sense of a love relationship. Google translate even refers to “bride”).


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So maybe it's a joke only.

Could be. Like in “soon Amiwest, let the hyping begin”.


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Or it's their own Linux distro for the Alice laptop ?!

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P5020 / AmigaOne X5000
OS sees 1 CPU (the 5020 has 2), surely a contemporary Linux would see both and use SMP?
OS is 32-bit (the 5020 is 64-bit), surely a contemporary Linux would run as 64-bit on 64-bit H/W?
2MB RAM, who puts that little in a new Linux box?
“Kick”, “Work”, “Warp”, etc.
Radeon HD 7900, not Radeon HD 7900M, which IMHO does not make much sense in an “Alice” type of product anyway...

Had it been something running under emulation we shouldn’t see these specs listed?

@TRIPOS

Almost looks like some parallel “OS4” runing on X5000, with all trademark sensitive names stripped. Had it been an “Official” OS4 (running native or emulated in a box on some x64 “Alice”), there would have been no need for this?

Workbench Screen -> Desktop screen
AmigaOS -> NoviaOS
4 -> IV
Kickstart -> Kick
Workbench -> Work
MUI -> GUI (and there are several MUI-windows)
Warp3D -> Warp
MiniGL -> MiniG
SysMon -> monsys

OS4 SysMon

@TRIPOS

Note that the picture are in the Linux corner of the blog entry.
And the epigraph under the pics says: "Just your usual Linux desktops?"

Maybe a Linux desktop environment that mimics os4 look and behavior? Like a amiwm but on steroids

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Fransexy wrote: @TRIPOS Note that the picture are in the Linux corner of the blog entry. And the epigraph under the pics says: "Just your usual Linux desktops?" Maybe a Linux desktop environment that mimics os4 look and behavior? Like a amiwm but on steroids

> "Just your usual Linux desktops?"

Yes, with a trailing question mark...

Why would anyone make a 32-bit Linux for a 64-bit system? Doesn’t make sense. All the others are 64-bit.
Why make it see and use only one of the two cores? Doesn’t make sense, the others use them both.
And why only 2MB RAM on a new Linux system?
And Kickstart, Workbench, MUI, Warp3D etc on Linux? What? Why?
And they all have relevant version numbers.
And they are in Commodores [version] [dot] [subversion] version scheme, instead of the Linux x.y.z
These are Amiga programn, like Dopus
And some (but not all) windows have MUI icons in their title bar. This suggests real MUI instead of a common icon/decoration on Linux windows.

If these things (apps and OS) would invisibly be running emulated inside a boxed environment on top of Linux (like in some “Alice” setup), it would explain all the things above. Except all the renamed things, which is still a mystery.

And why does the same sysmon (running inside the emulation box, since it is a MUI program and it reads all those kickstart, workbench, mui, warp3D version stuff) also report running on an AmigaOne X5000 instead of the boxed environment it runs within (like PowerUP)? Has PowerUP been switched to an X5000? Why would anyone undertake the job of emulating that? Could a P5020 be emulated accurately at 1995MHz anyway? And a Radeon HD 7900? Nah...

This being a parallel and de-branded “Amiga” OS running natively on an X5000 is kind of plausible IMHO...

Perhaps NoviaOS could be the result of the recent trademark battles. If Hyperion lose the right to the AmigaOS name trademarks, why not rename it NoviaOS? No one else, apart from wedding photographers, would battle over that name.

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I thought about that too, but just briefly. Perhaps even some “we’ll let you continue your OS4 development based on our 3.1 copyrights if you drop your claims on the trademarks in return”. But it doesn’t make sense. Cloanto has never threatened OS4 on copyright basis, why would they? It’s not within their interest, rather the opposite around, they like all Amiga efforts out of love and want it all to continue and live on forever. And remember that Hyperion has never actually owned any rights to any trademarks, and has done just fine with their “right to use” during all this time. I have seen no reason to think that the trademark issues are resolved, and I have seen no reason to believe that Cloanto wouldn’t allow them a continued right to use the trademarks with Cloanto as owners. Rather the opposite. Their whole call for “A Discourse on Possible Futures” is about inclusion and partnerships for a long term Amiga future, for everyone, where everything is on the table, including putting core IP (trademarks, copyrights, etc) under the government of an autonomous foundation untied to any specific company. They want all aspects of Amiga to live, forever. Including trademarks, and how they have been used. Incliding OS4, I’m quite certain of that. Cloanto is love, not hate and aggression.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=42002&forum=2


Another thought that struck me is if this is a parallel-developed OS by AeonKit? After all, it is them who has been funding development of all interesting things OS4 the last years, they already own key components, and what if they contacted all important unpaid OS4 developers directly to get their own parallel license/ownership of all the work that makes OS4? Minus all those names, of course.

Or maybe they bought the MorphOS 3.x PPC branch (and added OS4 stuff from their own IP portfolio), as MorphOS is about to migrate to 4.0 on different architectures? MorphOS is mature on X5000, having run on it for what, 2 years? 3?

Or AROS with AeonKit OS4 IP? Or Anubis? Or... or...

@PhantomInterrogative

...or it is simply joke. And good one.

@pavlor

Could be...

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Another thought that struck me is if this is a parallel-developed OS by AeonKit?

Can be result of the enchantment package, anyway AEON is not in a position where they can push out OS on their own.

Anyhow it looks bit hacky to me, the text is strange, I was thing it might actually be horrible programing bug.

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Sorry, but you've posted entirely too many conspiracy avenues for me to put through my reality syphon for any comments. Heh.

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