@WolfToTheMoon

Please edit your post #254 and add a space before the end quote left hand bracket. This adversely affects the forum display for your post and all posts following on the same page. Thanks.

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@Tomas

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I am pretty sure you are experiencing the same issue i talked about which is caused by memory being swapped out by another application/game.

When it happens I'm only running FF and some drawer windows. And whatever Windows loads in the background.

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The more ram you have the less such issues you will get.

It has 1GB RAM and 15GB left on the C drive.

@IntuitionAmiga

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Without "The Name (c) (r) TM" the OS4 crowd are not interested.

Maybe, as I am one of the OS4 crowd, but Hyperion won't be doing it. Not in the next ten years it looks like. So they will have to look elsewhere if they seek it.

@bison

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That must be specific to Firefox on XP.

I thought so too, a combination used less now days.

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I've had no problems opening a terminal

I can't even get to the start bar. No respose. I'm lucky the cursor moves around.

But I know what you mean with OSX, although I use the Apple menu to get to it instead.

@IntuitionAmiga

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Assuming there's a secret backup of the Amithlon source

Is this one incomplete?

http://amithlon.sourceforge.net/

@Hypex

That's just the kernel. The important parts are closed source.

@IntuitionAmiga

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IntuitionAmiga wrote: @WolfToTheMoon And now the circle is complete with McEwen releasing pirated Amiga games for QNX in the BlackBerry store. b)

Are you certain they are pirated?

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@Darth_X

Is the Pope Catholic? :)

@KimmoK

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Not sure how many AMiga inspired OSs there are (tens of) but is there any co-operation between our regular Amigalikes and those others like syllable.

I was reading the Syllable "about" page, and they list six categories of computer users: regular computer owner, hobbyist, technology enthusiast, software developer, systems administrator, and business person. Five of these categories are quite well served by existing platforms, but really good platforms for hobbyists are scarce. This is strange, since Commodore, Amiga, and Atari all got started by selling systems to hobbyists.

Where have all the hobbyists gone? I suspect they have dispersed to different platforms, none of them ideal: some to Windows, some to Mac OS, Linux, AmigaOS, etc. The percentage of hobbyists among computer users has declined sharply in the past twenty years, and that is to be expected, but have they declined in absolute numbers as well? That would be ominous, if true.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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that was a huge missed opportunity.

Yes, and very disappointing. For weeks the first thing I did in the morning was to see if there was any news on the new Amiga. What followed were a lot of "two more weeks" announcements, until it became clear that bad news was on the way...

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@bison

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Where have all the hobbyists gone?

They sold several million raberryPis. Arduino has been around for years, as have some other hobbyist platforms. Intel just started sellin Gallileo, a 60$ development board. So, the hobbyist market is very much alive and kicking.

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@bison

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Yes, and very disappointing. For weeks the first thing I did in the morning was to see if there was any news on the new Amiga. What followed were a lot of "two more weeks" announcements, until it became clear that bad news was on the way...

In retrospective, that was probably THE LAST time that Amiga had any chance for a comeback.

They should have made Amiga into purely a software company and made QNX-based AmigaOS for PCs and mobile computers.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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They sold several million raberryPis.

I'd put those folks in the "technology enthusiast" category. I'm thinking more of people with an interest in computers but not much formal background in computer science &mash; the BASIC programmers of the 80s, for example.

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@bison

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bison wrote: @cdimauro Quote: I suspend my machine, both because I have no boot time and I find back the environment exactly as I left it, which has a BIG value (at least for me). I do the the same on my desktop. My laptop gets turned on and off several times a day, and every time it seems to take longer to boot...

May be an SSD can improve it.

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Quote: I don't know Tiny Core, but I've a general Linux knowledge, and I don't like it. Tiny Core boots faster than the average Linux distribution, and the UI has less latency. But the designers are not UI design experts, to put it politely.

So it's better that I don't spend time giving it a look, because I like good UIs.

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What is it about Linux that you don't like? You said you didn't like it, but you didn't say why...

I don't like the very old APIs, the fact that they aren't stable and not even is the ABI, the "everything is a file" paradigm, the "do a single thing (good)" philosophy, the "fork is the way to create (sub/new)processes" aberration, the fact that are thousands of config files and may be with different formats that you have to seek for and edit for some problems, that different distros have different filesystems / package managers, installers & tools in general / Desktop Environments, that to talk with the graphic card you have to pass through a socket (I know that there are experiments to finally kill one of the most stupid ideas of the Earth, X11), the commands with inconsistent (or absurd) naming and parameters, that there's no stable / standard / unique / ubiquitus APIs for the audio, the monolithic kernel which is a monster of complexity, the lack of modern IDEs and UI builders, the makefiles to build projects, the GCC which is also an enormous bloatware and that promoted extensions to the C/C++ standard (despite the ideological battles against the you-know-who that is accused of EEE) to kill other compilers which follow them, the case sensitive filesystem (I know: I can edit fstab or something like this to set it case insensitive; but it's the principle that a filesystem is, by default and wide spread, being case sensitive that I absolutely dislike), the "if I don't agree I fork it" philosophy that created a myriad of applications that do the same thing, the viral GPL license which is wide spread, the filesystem which has no unique encoding, the coders that don't listen the people needs (any reference to GIMP, for example, is NOT casual).

I'm pretty sure that I left many other things, but I think that it's enough to show why I don't like Linux.

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Quote: http://reactos.org/it It's free. It has the same Windows API & ABI. So it can use the existing Windows drivers base, which is pretty HUGE and of good quality. I tried to try ReactOS a while back, but it wouldn't boot on my hardware. That was a while ago; I should probably try again.

Me too.

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Anyway, yes, there are a lot of Windows drivers out there, but they're almost all binary blobs (no source code), so they would be hard to support by a third party.

Open sourceness (I don't know if it's the correct term) was never been an Amiga pillar. Especially for drivers, I don't see the problems. The most important thing is having the drivers; who cares if they are open or closed.
Even on Linux some important drivers, such as the nVidia ones, are totally close, for example. For others, a wrapper against the Windows ones is need to make them work.

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Linux kernel with build in 68xxx emulation that would be great ;)

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@VoltureX

You can download Linux for 680x0 CPU's, but you can't run AmigaOS programs on it

You can install UAE on Linux, but it does not make it Amiga, and it can never be truly native.

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@Hypex

I don't like fork(), it make it hard to know where a tread starts and where it stops, when it a program can fork off at any location in the program, pthreads() and clone() is more clean way.

Plus fork() its not a essential part of a modern OS, Windows does not have it.

Its only natural that CreateNewProc() is extended whit NP_SMP or some other tag that tells the system that process can run on any core, so that sheard memory can be protected by a mutex's, obviously you can also ways copy the data if you want to prevent looking up the cores to access it as sheard, but thats up to you not the system.

Anyway if you where to duplicate memory when you do not need it the system is going to be memory hungry.

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Maybe the PPC structure was Commodore's goal but why going for a minority of customers. I don't get it :(

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@VoltureX

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Maybe the PPC structure was Commodore's goal

PA-RISC with the NT kernel was Commodore's goal IIRC.

VAX basically. ;)

Was the Amiga-QNX demo/press conference filmed?

I've never seen it anywhere and would love to watch it.