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For now, for this century maybe the future is OS4 and PowerPC, but in the next centuries the future is emulation.

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phoenixkonsole wrote: MorphOS has a lot of limitations and

Sure, and most of them comes from the Amiga binary compatibility requirement that MorphOS set out for itself 1.5 decade ago, including the Big Endian CPU and all the other limitations that is actually defining Amiga, like single 32-bit CPU, 31-bit addressing space, open/unified memory architecture, etc.

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Supporting only 1.5GB RAM isn't the best i can see.. AROS 32bit can use 4GB.

Amiga has by definition 2GB unified address space (31-bit) constantly available to every processs in the system. Anything above this is either hacks/tricks and/or incompatible to Amiga (or at least reduces it, which is not an option for a NG system that aims for as high compatibility as possible).

In the 2GB addressspace you have to fit everything, RAM, GFX-RAM, PCI-cards and onboard-components. Hence the 1.5GB.

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Wifi based on AROS wifi... 1:1 here if you like.

I'm not actually sure it's a straight 1:1 comparison in the WiFi area anymore...? Maybe it still is though...

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What else? Hmm..

Things I like: MorphOS has a really good and fast memory system, Ambient is really mature and feature rich (it could be a very lengthy post by itself listing all the features), the way everything is built on MUI(5) makes it very flexible, consistent and usable, it has a good theme/skin system, I think the NG data types system Reggae is splendid, I like the file systems (including remote and encrypted ones), the printing system might be kind of backwards in 2015 but still one of the best relatively speaking (Amiga world), the built-in optical disk burning tool is very easy to work with, I believe it has the most/best native laptop H/W specific features developed, the built-in synergy client and server is very useful, the network stack (from BSD) I think is unique already in an Amiga context I believe and the upcoming version will be another major leap enabling new network apps, etc, etc. Just a few things from the top of my head.

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MOS has nothing which couldn't be done on AROS

You aren't speaking about imaginary future features now, eh?

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but misses a lot which couldn't be done on MOS...

The only limitations comes from the MorphOS aim to be as Amiga compatible as possible. If that limitation is removed...

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@phoenixkonsole

When they switch ISA it will be a 64 bit system with SMP, MP and all the goodies. I heard it from Mark Olsen personally. When it will be done he refused to say since they simply don't know.

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Aros under FPGA or better "Aros under Emulation and FPGA" is missing

So is AROS on ARM.

And pancakes.

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@TRIPOS

2 gig ram limitation?


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Theoretical future, or future based on what actually exists? AROS as it stands has some advantages that can only be imagined by other systems.

I also find Tripos posts highly amusing...... Starts of claiming all amiga-oids have 31 bit memory addressing (even mentions AROS being included), is told AROS 32bit has proper 32bit addressing, then suddenly he starts claiming its a hack and that its a deliberate choice for mos (the only system remaining with a 2gig address space) for compatibility reasons (nonsense by the way,..... even 64bit addressable space causes no such issues with AROS..... perhaps mos is restricted this way, but going beyond 2gig addressable space doesn't mean a hack or incompatibility).
This is followed by the contradiction that overcoming these restrictions isn't Amiga anymore, followed by the fact that in the future (completely hypothetical mind you) MOS will be 64bit, SMP, new APIs, etc., which ironically actually will mean its not Amiga any more.
Morphos future seems the most vulnerable to me. Its stuck with antiquated hardware currently, has some nasty restrictions (seriously, drives me balmy being restricted to so little ram..... can't even browse without compromising), and what it aspires to really limits the audience. Without being an amiga-oid system its even more niche and has little to attract new users. Especially at its current price point. More expensive, barren (vs what will be its competition), next to no hardware support, next to no software, and so on.

I enjoy mos currently, but as I see things its in a very tricky position currently. There's little wonder developers are quite tentative at the moment. It's "end game" move may well be a different "end game" than planned.

As much as I find OS4 choices and hardware comical it at least will keep its niche.

Heh, suddenly the poll got manipulated as always...

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WHAT NO pancakes???? this poll is obviously flawed

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MorphOS on x86, as it is not an option in the poll.

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@Everblue

I think the poll is limited to options that actually exist.

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Hehe

@Everblue

MorphOS on X86 (or X64 or ARM) will feel much more "Aros-like" than people imagine. They think it will be the same just running somewhere else but they are wrong there. But anyway it is years away...

@terminills

it is not a bug it is a feature

I would like to think and hope that the OS4 userbase will grow the most thanks to WinUAE, X5000, X1222 coming out. If we just aim even at just doubling the userbase now I think we could all say that would be an achievement and I think a possible goal.

Some people still like to think it would be possible to go back to Commodore day size market and anything less is a bit of a failure but I dont see that happing without serious investment in one of the above platform so we got to make the most of what we got and see what we can achieve with it.

Looking into the far future, I think Amiga in the cloud is a possible future you can already (although very slow) run Amiga in a browser so 5 years time such is the pace of the internet I can see much more advance apps and software running in browsers and I would like to see Amiga be part of it, even if its just a much more advance UAE in the cloud so I could access my emulated Amiga environment on any device with a modern web browser would be pretty cool.

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Why should it be more Aros like? It should be just like regular Morphos really, just a difference CPU under the hood.

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@Everblue

because it will use UAE for 68k-Integration and not have a 68k JIT like in current MorphOS on PowerPC. The same as on Aros, you can only use new compiled applications (if the API will be the same has to be seen but changes are needed in any case because of 64bit). Certainly there will be still MUI and Ambient. The rest is in the dust. But it is not the same as current MorphOS, at least when you want to use 68k software. And you need new changed and recompiled software.

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amigang wrote: Amiga in the cloud

What an absolute nightmare

Judging by results so far the choice of PowerPC architecture appears to be validated by the overwhelming majority......

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