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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 1-Aug-2017 15:45:55
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Fast memory shows its power!

For comparison, WinUAE/OS4/PetuniaJIT on Core i3-5005U 2 GHz (my 350 EUR notebook) scores 50.3 FPS.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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Thanks for the comparison!

Yeah, its intresting how performance is going forward, both on the software and core front.

Still looking forward to a Amistore that will run nicely on AOS3.x with Vampire, and based on what Ive seen from Matthew during his last newsitem, it seems like they are working to accomodate this.

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I just read his comment on apollo forum

to me it look likes he really means two weeks. A1200 and standalone hardware is ready so there are no reasons for me not to announce specifiacations. Perhaps they want to wait until everything is ready for production, who knows

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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Yeah, well, they have decided on a procedure of info/core release, and its not for me to demand anything either way.

Once people learn thats how it works, people will stop asking questions (heh..

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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@thread,

exciting times a head in the classics realm

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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I trully admire the Vampire project and hope that someday it materializes in a stand alone amiga compatible computer or even an add-on pci card for amiga ng / pc - that would be something unique, wouldn't it? - but these statements from Gunnar are total bs.

Did the benchmark and got 87+fps on MorphOS 3.9 / pmac 3.1 from 1999 with upgraded cpu, that costs next to nothing nowadays.

First of all how come an emulated soft core be comparable with real 68k cpus, is beyond any reasoning. I never remember mos team claiming "oh look, transe is 680xx@[insert random big mhz number to make an impression]". Or call transe the next best thing for 68k naming it 68090 or 68100 or whatever.

How about adding to that graph that transe on G4 1.6Ghz is ~40% faster, comparing to the fastest vampire core available? And I haven't booted my G5 yet.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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I think it was yesterday (may have been the day before) that BigGun said the first batch is 10 days away. Yesterday he stated it was at the stage of mass production. A couple of things come to mind here; 1. previous Vampire batches have required expressions of interest followed by prepayment for production, no such system is in place for the A1200 or stand alone. Does this mean it is being funded by other parties such as Amiga re-sellers and so will be offered by Amiga shops only? 2. has a source of A1200 connectors been been established? kipper2k had some but he designed an adaptor that would use them (not Vampire related) and he is no longer working on Vampire projects. kipper2ks supply of connector would not be enough to cover demand for long anyway. Finally it isn't entirely clear to me whether recent comments relate to the A1200, the stand alone or both.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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Riva 0.52 use AMMX.
so this compare is wrong.
try the same test with Riva 0.50 where any platfom can use the same software in the same situation (pure 68k code)
And WinUAE users should not use Jit.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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@Seiya

I think the purpose of the test is to show the performance based on the AMMX ability of the core, with the apropiate tweaks to Riva, compared to what you can get on legacy hardware with Riva.

Ofcourse you could test without AMMX, but noone would use Riva on Vampire without the AMMX Riva version would they?

Its not a bragging game, its a "this is what the core can do now, with the most current version of Riva".

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however i made the test in the same condition of vampire (more or less).
WinUAE:
68030, NO JIT, no FPU 2 MB Chip RAM, 32 MB Fast
my result is: 16,2705

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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On my other amiga systems, I can choose among a wide selection of media players supporting a variety of formats. With apollo core, one is pretty much locked to RiVa and mpeg1. Video files that play perfectly fine on my A3000/CSPPC/CVPPC and even the A1200/Bz1260 AGA, stutter along on the V600.

Oh, have you tried running two or more RiVa processes simultaneously?

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Very nice results on a Vampire!
Compared to a uA1(750GX@800) which performs 112.5 FPS on the same test with emulated 68k shows that Vampire performance is more than good for classic softwares.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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@kolla

Do you have some performance figures with your machine playing that testcase video using Riva, and other players?

And other formats using other players?

Im curious about the spesifics.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
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@Overflow

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Overflow wrote:

Do you have some performance figures with your machine playing that testcase video using Riva, and other players?


Not at hand right now, but give me some days and I may have. I have a pretty busy "social schedule" these days (summer, friends, beer, camping, work), and sometimes there are days between playing around with my amiga systems :)

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And other formats using other players?

Im curious about the spesifics.


Well, take the pixar-ish animation mpeg video on the OS4.1FE for Classic CD. RiVa refuses to play it, though other players like Frogger do. However, with neither FPU nor AMMX available for Frogger, it is a matter of seconds per frame rather than frames per second.

Again, the main issue with the apollo core situation, is that for AMMX to be useful, all software must be rewritten. And in assembler no less. How often will that happen do you think? And in the meantime, all existing FPU based software is crippled, I tried using Sox (http://aminet.net/package/mus/play/sox-14.3.1-m68k) with FEMU the other day, but it was nothing to write home about.

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Ok, happy camping!

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@kolla

I do not get way anyone will won't to use Riva on AmigaONE computer, it does make sense, there are better native PowerPC video player that make better use of graphic cards, so WAY?

Comparing emulated 680x0 on AmigaOS4 with FPGA core, It's also nonsense, it makes no sense. I was going to port BlitzBasic test to C and compile native version, but its lot of code, I have ported 200 lines of it, BlitzBasic is not too hard to rewrite to C or C++ code, if you know etch language well. AMOS on the other hand is lot more problematic, so you know.

Mostly the syntax need chaining nothing more

AMOS program don't even run natively on AmigaONE hardware.

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I do not get way anyone will won't to use Riva on AmigaONE computer, it does make sense, there are better native PowerPC video player that make better use of graphic cards, so WAY?


Indeed. I recently dug out my old A3000 CSPPC/CVPPC and upgraded the ancient OS4.0 installation with AmigaOS 4.1FE Update1, and even that one is playing various video files just fine (for example the mentioned "pixar" video, using the DVPlayer). I am positively surprised how well OS4.1FE works on the 20 year old system, runs quite a lot better than OS4.0 did, for sure. :)

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@kolla

Quote:

kolla wrote:

However, with neither FPU nor AMMX available for Frogger, it is a matter of seconds per frame rather than frames per second.




Quote:
Again, the main issue with the apollo core situation, is that for AMMX to be useful, all software must be rewritten. And in assembler no less. How often will that happen do you think? And in the meantime, all existing FPU based software is crippled


This is a design flaw IMHO. Like in Tabor, using incompatible H/W instead of existing and supported is not the best idea.

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@TRIPOS

Supported? the old MacMini's are not support anymore by Apple, abandoned is more the word. besides what happens if they break down, who do you call?

I admit there are many people who have old IMac/MacMini's that might be interested in trying something new, as there old MacMini has not gotten any love from Apple in a while. and getting harder and harder to use MacMini for what wonted to use it for.

So you have point, but development team is not big, and I'm not sure we can offer the same kind of software you can buy for MacOSX, so not really filling the void here.

Some apple software packages are really good, IPhoto, IMovie, ITunes... far as I see it we are not in the game, of providing competitive user experience anymore.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Some apple software packages are really good, IPhoto, IMovie, ITunes... far as I see it we are not in the game, of providing competitive user experience anymore.


Anymore?

Clearly no one has cross-shopped an Amiga with a PC or Mac in 25 years.

And I'm not convinced that most of us did in the first place. That misses the point about the platform and the Vampire.

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