@iggy

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They came back and tried again in 1812 and we still won.

Weren´t that US, who invaded Canada, were spanked there, lost their own capital and then managed to get only status quo ante bellum?

@iggy

I was thinking more secession of the states did work the first time.
As when the states got independance from Britain.

Cheers

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@pavlor

Yes, we got our butts handed to us, and the British burned the White House.
But they still lost.
Of course eventually the Canadian's sought their independence from England themselves.
Its a neat country.
If any of you have a chance to visit it, go for it.
There are places of stunning beauty there, and a lots of pancakes and back bacon.

Well I don't about in or out the EU, but being out of the Euro championship is defo bad.

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@pavlor

Pretty much.
The Canadian always go their own way.
Its a neat country.
Plenty of beautiful scenery, and plenty of pancakes and back bacon.

@TiredOfLife

I got that.

@Pavlor

Ah, the Texans are fond of the death penalty anyway. );

@thellier

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thellier wrote: At least a GOOOOD news "France overtakes UK as fifth largest economy as pound plummets" http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/france-overtakes-uk-as-fifth-largest-economy-as-pound-plummets-5964746/ But UK will recover soon I am confident ...

I wouldn't be too confident. With all the uncertainy many firms and institutions will withdraw their investments. Fusion of LSX and Deutsche Börse is on the edge again,and if it will happen at all then headquarter will not be London.
Hard times for (at least) England ahead.

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I think the UK will be better off. Any financial losses should be temporary. Money wise, UK give what $1 and gets back $.60 ? Sounds to me like more benefits and less headaches . . . The EU is worried about that $.40 per $ loss . . .

Best wishes to the UK, but will the government follow popular opinion ? ? ?

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@pavlor

What does it matter the composition of the council when it has no formal legislative power? The commision is where things are decided, and it consists of members voted in by the EU Parliament. The parliament is special, in that it can vote over legislation but it cannot initiate legislation.

The whole thing is very strange to me.

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@olegil

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What does it matter the composition of the council when it has no formal legislative power?

I answered question about Council composition...

As of its powers, formal powers include nomination of the President of the European Commission, informal power (but included in the text of treaties) is desision making on major issues. Entire Council is well comparable to head of state in parliamentary system.

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The parliament is special, in that it can vote over legislation but it cannot initiate legislation.

Some european countries had similar weak legislatures in 19th century.

Stronger European Parliament would mean weaker Council of the European Union (chamber of EU legislature representing state governments), weaker Commission and of course weaker European Council. No government would undermine its own influence in EU...

I'm thinking of leaving England, moving to Scotland or Ireland or Gibraltar.

depends who gets independance..


Wol.

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@Wol

Do the people of Gibraltar speak intelligiblly?
Because the other two...

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@wolfe

Wow. I'm surprised you haven't been nominated for Nobel Prize for Economics.

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I think in a few months the pound will do quite well. The amount of money that goes to the union can go to better uses. They may have more changes to the government soon!

@agami

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agami wrote: @wolfe Wow. I'm surprised you haven't been nominated for Nobel Prize for Economics.

You think ???

Hey! Hand it over . . .

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@QuikSanz

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QuikSanz wrote: I think in a few months the pound will do quite well. The amount of money that goes to the union can go to better uses. They may have more changes to the government soon!

That assumption has the prereqisite that the total amount of money wil be fairly constant. The economy will drop, hence less money to spend in total.
If the UK wants free market access than don't leave the EU. The EU will not allow cherry picking.

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@Wol

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Wol wrote: I'm thinking of leaving England, moving to Scotland or Ireland or Gibraltar. depends who gets independance..

I presume you're talking about Northern Ireland, not the Republic, which has had its independence from the UK for nearly 100 years now.

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@Daedalus

>If the UK wants free market access than don't leave the EU. The EU will not allow cherry picking.

No. I am almost sure UE will grant free market access as it is the interest of all the big companies ... and you know that this is the big companies lobbying that lead the European Commission to the end...

Certainly Merckel in a very german/protestant way would like to "punish" the british for they "sin" agaisnt the "Federal Europe is good" mantra ... but she is going to follow a "reality principe" that come from economy

So I am confident the UK will NOT collapse

The bad thing for Merckel (good for Me) is that it will also prove that being outside EU is not a problem ... so begin the EU deconstruction ...

Alain

@thellier

Ummm... I don't think that was a reply for me...

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@thellier

The brexit impact is there already. Vodafone is thinking to leave the UK. Fusion of lse and deutsche Börse will probably fail. I don't think BMW will continue to Invest further in the UK. If you don't allow East European workers to come, prices of Farm products will rise significantly. British airlines will struggle, etc. Really, there is a lot that I dislike about the EU, but economywise it is a Desaster to leave.

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@Zylesea,

Wait, your telling me the unemployment rate is zero in England? What,s wrong with British workers?