@eliyahu

That makes sense. I don't know if they stated the reasons anywhere after they finally confirmed the deal being off. I just remember a note from Amiwest where it just said it was. If they didn't stress the reasons they really should have as it's not weird to think that they just said something to make a buzz and then just hope they could deliver. This was the last big red vs blue war period after all.

It seems Amigakit is the only vendor that tries to correct misconceptions, but it shouldn't be their job to speak on Hyperions and A-Eons behalf.

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@Yasu

I think at that time MorphOS team announced future notebook support for MorphOS so guess they made the announcement to keep users from changing to MorphOS and wait for their product (that they perhaps expected to become real at that time). Only a personal guess... also it is not a good style to end the project but not informing people who were waiting for it.

I can remember people here talking about what hardware the netbook would be and how many users would join. Nobody talked about MorphOS announcement. So on the short run success, on the long run not so.

@OlafS25

That much is obvious. I remember thinking of getting one myself before I switched to AROS (before I switched to MorphOS). In the end I think they should have finished the LimeBook port and let people find their own laptops. I think a lot of AmigaOS users would have preferred that solution to no laptop at all. Even if the LimeBook is rather crappy.

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@Yasu

You first asked AmigaKit (post 360): I'm curious: what made you/them think it was possible to make a 500€ laptop in the first place? I mean, confidently enough to announce it publically?
AmigaKit answered (post 362): At no point has A-EON or AmigaKit ever announced a 500 EUR laptop.

So, AmigaKit:
* spoke for themselves and A-EON (which, AFAIK, they are co-founders and partners of);
* did not speak on behalf of Hyperion;
* clarified that they or A-EON were not responsible for the announcement;
* did not provide information that belongs to Hyperion.
The answer was as complete and correct as possible.


Then you totally ignored the answer and, rather harshly replied (post 366): I do remember reading on several forums and on Amiga Future that a price range of up to 500€ or something like that was mentioned. People was really excited about it as it would be a rather cheap AmigaOS computer, period.
Overflow stepped in and explained you how to read AmigaKit's answer: (post 367): Again, he said "AEON has never....." etc. What others might have dreamed or promised about isnt really AEONs issue.

So, you were given the explanation a second time.


Later on, you posted (post 374): It seems Amigakit is the only vendor that tries to correct misconceptions, but it shouldn't be their job to speak on Hyperions and A-Eons behalf.

The second part is wrong, because:
* AmigaKit never spoke on behalf of Hyperion;
* AmigaKit is co-founder and parter of A-EON, so they can actually speak on behalf of A-EON.


To sum things up:
1. you first asked AmigaKit to provide an answer, but the question should have been asked to Hyperion (so basically you asked them to speak on behalf of Hyperion);
2. after AmigaKit answered, without speaking for Hyperion and pointing out the distinction, you insisted, indirectly blaming them;
3. after you got further clarifications, you blamed AmigaKit for speaking on behalf of Hyperion.

You either are not able to have this conversation, or you are deliberately trolling.

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@saimo

sorry to say that but what you call trolling is how customers think

a-eon, hyperion and (later) amigakit always was seen as unity and if someone (for whomever he or she spoke at that time) announced a netbook they do not dig under every stone to see if he speaks for himself, hyperion, a-eon, amigakit or just nonsense

It is not important anyway now, just a example for bad marketing and missing communication

@saimo

What OlafS25 said. I have no idea who said what. I just remember the cheap laptop that was supposed to be sold with AmigaOS. I certainly don't remember anyone saying "this is just a rumour. No laptop is being made here. Move along".

Also, I'm apparently not the only one who remember this laptop project. Not to mention the fact that there is a semi working prototype (I've seen it). So something was going on and suddenly not going on anymore. I'm not trolling, I'm just curious of what the hell happened.

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@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @saimo sorry to say that but what you call trolling is how customers think a-eon, hyperion and (later) amigakit always was seen as unity and if someone (for whomever he or she spoke at that time) announced a netbook they do not dig under every stone to see if he speaks for himself, hyperion, a-eon, amigakit or just nonsense It is not important anyway now, just a example for bad marketing and missing communication

You missed the point of my post.
Anyway:
* it is not difficult to distinguish between Hyperion, AmigaKit, and A-EON;
* in this thread the distinction has been made clear, so who is discussing the subject has no excuse to keep on mixing them up.

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@Yasu

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Yasu wrote: @saimo What OlafS25 said. I have no idea who said what.

But you have been given the explanation here, and you ignored it, and did what I explained in my post.

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Also, I'm apparently not the only one who remember this laptop project. Not to mention the fact that there is a semi working prototype (I've seen it). So something was going on and suddenly not going on anymore. I'm not trolling, I'm just curious of what the hell happened.

And you got the answers also to that.

All in all, you are either not able to have this conversation, or you are trolling.

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interesting to see how another few years after something took few years empty talks and nothing came of it, everybody remembers it their own way or simply dont remember it at all, maybe because its too embarassing. few years in the futre this netbook will become a completely mytical entity, perople will have different opinions if it actually existed or not, in which form, and what operating system it ran.

@wawa

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interesting to see how another few years after something took few years empty talks and nothing came of it, everybody remembers it their own way or simply dont remember it at all,

Human memory is quite selective, isn´t it?

For me (and I´m sure many others), such netbook would have been only possible entry to the OS4 world, as I couldn´t justify another 1000 EUR desktop. It was missed opportunity and blow to OS4 market, as there was no cheap hardware for OS4 until Toni Willen introduced PowerPC support in WinUAE.

@saimo #377

If there would be like button, i would have used it for your post #377.

It was a joy to read how well you described the conversations points.


But I think what happened was, that Yasu bit of misunderstood the rules of conversation in this case. For what I think Yasu did, was to question Amikits comment in sense that he was trying to prove his point based upon his memory, and in addition there came more proof based upon others remembering the same way (actually i have a recalling of something about 500 eur laptop as well, and thinking of possibly even buying one when available).

You could argue that due to many recallings of the thing, it does give some credibility to the conversation, but simply from facts point of view, Amikits statement can be treated as a fact, even if Amikit would be recalling wrong.

Hence, what Yasu now needs to do is not to collect more recallings of 500 eur machine (like my recalling is), but he needs to dig out some hard fact, like a website telling about that 500 eur machine, even if that website would be quoting wrong, to get the conversation go forward.

For right now, even if there are 10 people recalling of "something" about 500 eur machine, it is only a blurry recalling, which might be coming from anywhere, as example, from someone wishing that it be 500 euros, and rest then quoting the same wish.

While Amikit have now displayed a hard fact "We never said that".

Therefore, either find where Amikit actually says otherwise, or find someone who is quoting that 500 Eur machine based upon "fact", be it a fact in the end or not, and we might find where the possible misrecalling of a 500 eur AOS4 laptop came from.


To help a bit, heres couple of links i found using google:

1. https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/amiga-os4-netbook-announced.64366/
2. http://www.osnews.com/story/25251/AmigaOne_X1000_To_Ship_by_Year_s_End_Amiga_Netbook_Announced
3. http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6117
4. http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=34459&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0#633775
5. http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?forum=4&topic_id=4910&post_id=0&start=0&move=0&mode=0&type=0&order=ASC


By just skimming through those text a bit, it would seem that story could be that Hyperion entertainment made the announcement through a spokesperson at amiwest. It also tells that they already had a working test laptop.

However, link number 5 shows rogues comments about how everything can still change, as it did.

I guess point was that they had succesfully already made AOS4 work on laptop, by otherwords, having a very strong proof of concept, and then it was just a matter of picking the hardware to make a production run of it. But before they were able to pick which parts to use for the machine, prices unexpectedly went up.

@kolla

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Why you? Because you're the one claiming Ambient and vfs makes this easy.

I didnt say so. I said vfs would be right method to implement your programmable filesystem.

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@Bugala

I think yasu is recalling this interview (found it with keywords limebook under 500)

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The LimeBook itself is not a bad little machine, even if it is somewhat underpowered and the keyboard is a little flimsy. However, after performing detailed cost analysis which included NRE set-up costs, OS porting costs, driver development, branding, import costs and AmigaOS 4 licences we could not get the end user price much under £500 (VAT inclusive), and that is with based on ordering and pre-paying for batches of 1000 units at a time with a very minimal sales margin added. We think that is far too expensive for such an underpowered machine. As far as we are aware the project has not been officially cancelled. However, we are now leaning in another direction altogether.

And what Amigakit said, "At no point has A-EON or AmigaKit ever announced a 500 EUR laptop.", is true.

It was supposed to be a lot cheaper but of course also very low low low end (Efika class).

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@saimo

You seem to be reading too much into it.
In no way, shape, or form did Yasu come accross as trolling. There was simply a conversation happening where memories were vague (he even said as much), followed by elaborations once details were provided.

Given that this is amigaworld its reasonable to assume trolling, but in this case you seem to be seeing trolling where there was simply conversation.

There's not even an endgame in this case, which is the point to all trolling. There was no-one on the receiving end of any attack, no discreditting, etc.

Just came across as someone trying to retrace their vague memories through conversation.

@fishy_fis

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fishy_fis wrote: @saimo You seem to be reading too much into it. In no way, shape, or form did Yasu come accross as trolling. There was simply a conversation happening where memories were vague (he even said as much), followed by elaborations once details were provided. Given that this is amigaworld its reasonable to assume trolling, but in this case you seem to be seeing trolling where there was simply conversation. There's not even an endgame in this case, which is the point to all trolling. There was no-one on the receiving end of any attack, no discreditting, etc. Just came across as someone trying to retrace their vague memories through conversation.

If I have written something wrong, prove it. My post is there and speaks for itself.

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@saimo

Come on, this is silly.
Flip side is, can you prove you was right?

Its all assumptions. Neither one of us can read minds. We can re-iterate what others have written until the cows come home, but it proves nothing.
I personally have no interest in arguing anything here. We both simply offered how we perceived things.

@fishy_fis

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fishy_fis wrote: @saimo Come on, this is silly. Flip side is, can you prove you was right? [quote]Its all assumptions. Neither one of us can read minds. We can re-iterate what others have written until the cows come home, but it proves nothing. I personally have no interest in arguing anything here. We both simply offered how we perceived things.

Please read my post again: you seem to be talking about something other than what I wrote. I simply pointed out the way Yasu was participating to the discussion. Nothing more.

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@saimo

I just want to point out that you completely missed my point.

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@saimo

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* spoke for themselves and A-EON (which, AFAIK, they are co-founders and partners of); * did not speak on behalf of Hyperion; * clarified that they or A-EON were not responsible for the announcement; * did not provide information that belongs to Hyperion.

yeah, similarly to amigakit you bring in (certainly some) valid points, according to my OBJECTIVE memory, which im sure to rely upon, at least in such a simple matter. i already wondered whty yasu expects aeon/amigakit to spill intrnal knowledge (if any), what concerns intrigues around so4, in public forums.

yes, thera are differnet issues by different responsive parties, some of them are companies like hyperion or aeon, some different dedicated or appointed os (core) developers, some a wider third party, but what connect almost all of this is the label of os4. hard to explain such a cocentration of failure, while such a forgiving community support, except by some objective means. maybe design or social issues.. and the community or watching outsiders pack it all in one bag, as they ought to. right?

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@wawa

I don't expect them to answer. It doesn't mean I'm not going to ask anyway

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