@wawa

I don't expect them to answer. It doesn't mean I'm not going to ask anyway

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@wawa

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wawa wrote: @saimo Quote: * spoke for themselves and A-EON (which, AFAIK, they are co-founders and partners of); * did not speak on behalf of Hyperion; * clarified that they or A-EON were not responsible for the announcement; * did not provide information that belongs to Hyperion. yeah, similarly to amigakit you bring in (certainly some) valid points

This is misleading, as I have not brought any points. The points you quoted are simply the full explanation of amigakit's answer - in fact, the whole text (from my post 377, which needs to be read in its entirety to fully understand the meaning of the quote), is:

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saimo wrote: @Yasu You first asked AmigaKit (): I'm curious: what made you/them think it was possible to make a 500€ laptop in the first place? I mean, confidently enough to announce it publically? AmigaKit answered (post 362): At no point has A-EON or AmigaKit ever announced a 500 EUR laptop. So, AmigaKit: * spoke for themselves and A-EON (which, AFAIK, they are co-founders and partners of); * did not speak on behalf of Hyperion; * clarified that they or A-EON were not responsible for the announcement; * did not provide information that belongs to Hyperion. The answer was as complete and correct as possible.

By omitting the context and by saying that I brought some points you make it seem that I had added some information of my own, whereas I had not - as I have already explained in post 390, I merely pointed out the way Yasu was participating to the discussion.
And here I'm pointing out that you are not interacting with me in a correct way - it's the second time in this thread, the first being in your post 265 where you made it seem that I was suggesting that Hyperion failed to deliver because of the criticism by the community (which I wasn't).

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@saimo

somehow you come over sore and nitpicking in insisting on that you be quoted within exact bounds you would like to set yourself. get accustomed to that, when speaking up in an open forum people may not exactly word the statements you want, and still not wish you ill.. what i have chosen of your post was for convenience not quoting a whole wall of text, and still im not making you legally responsible for the content. relax.

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@Yasu

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Yasu wrote: @saimo I just want to point out that you completely missed my point.

Saimo's posting style shows signs of Asperger Syndrome in that he fails to read between the lines or seeing the bigger picture that's not explicitly in front of him. Getting stuck in the details. If so, he will indeed miss any points that aren't explicit points (in its literary meaning) for him to find. An Asperger is kind of a-nal when interpreting words and texts. Keep this in mind!

@TRIPOS

seriously name calling now

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@klx300r

It's more than name calling: it's an attempt to discredit what I wrote by discrediting me. Unable to attack the message, TRIPOS attacked the messenger.

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@wawa

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wawa wrote: @saimo somehow you come over sore and nitpicking in insisting on that you be quoted within exact bounds you would like to set yourself. get accustomed to that, when speaking up in an open forum people may not exactly word the statements you want, and still not wish you ill.. what i have chosen of your post was for convenience not quoting a whole wall of text, and still im not making you legally responsible for the content. relax.

You did more than just quoting - but I have already explained what you did, so I won't repeat it here.
Just don't put words in my mouth: it's bad, even in positive contexts like the one of your previous post.

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@Bugala

This is just to let you know that I didn't ignore your nice post. I simply don't have any information other than what is being said here, so I there's nothing I can add.

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@TRIPOS




Best example of the pot calling the kettle black Ive seen in a while.

@saimo

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I have already explained what you did

oh, thaks. and sorry for quoting you out of context again, ill certainly earn another mark in your diary along with a detailed absolutely objective summary of the content of my post, that ill be presented in points, but actually without yourself making any point.

@saimo

It is a rather weird discussion now

again I can remember the announcement of the netbook and the discussion here and on other sites about how much it costs, what are potential new buyers and applications for it and so on

At that time acube, a-eon and hyperion were seen as unity so nobody asked about the sources because everyone regarded it as official. I cannot remember any of the parties protesting or clarifying that it is uncertain and in early state so everyone thought it is official. Then it was silently stopped later, again without informing anyone.

That is what I and (as I understand it) Yasu can remember. You can say wrong impression but that was how everyone from outside understood it. Today it is obvious that Hyperion and a-eon are very different and partly even going in different directions it seems, but we discussed not about 2015/2016 but several years ago.

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@OlafS25

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It is a rather weird discussion now

Now? Look at title of this thread.

@pavlor

this thread is sickly

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@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @saimo It is a rather weird discussion now again I can remember the announcement of the netbook and the discussion here and on other sites about how much it costs, what are potential new buyers and applications for it and so on At that time acube, a-eon and hyperion were seen as unity so nobody asked about the sources because everyone regarded it as official. I cannot remember any of the parties protesting or clarifying that it is uncertain and in early state so everyone thought it is official. Then it was silently stopped later, again without informing anyone. That is what I and (as I understand it) Yasu can remember. You can say wrong impression but that was how everyone from outside understood it. Today it is obvious that Hyperion and a-eon are very different and partly even going in different directions it seems, but we discussed not about 2015/2016 but several years ago.

Like others before, you are answering to something I did not say - for the umpteenth time: I have provided no information nor expressed any opinion whatsoever regarding the laptop matter. All I did was exposing how Yasu was behaving, making a simple recap of some previous posts. But that was not welcome, and raised a little storm of "inappropriate" (to say the least) answers that simply made this thread worse and less readable.

Now, regarding the matter at hand, there's nothing difficult to understand. This thread has a wealth of simple information (and much of it, if not all, was already public domain). Again without adding anything of my own, here is what has been said here (if I missed anything, feel free to fill the gaps):
a. Hyperion officially announced the laptop project at AmiWest 2011, possibly mentioning a retail price around 400-500 USD or EUR;
b. speculation has it that the project was canned because of an increase in the price of the hardware;
c. Hyperion never announced the cancellation (at least, nobody remembers about an official statement);
d. afterward, A-EON indipendently evaluated the possibility of taking on the challenge, but determined that it was not sound business-wise (official statement from AmigaKit);
e. A-EON never announced a 500 EUR laptop (official statement from AmigaKit).
Points a, b, and c were known (and debated to death) even before this thread. I'm not sure about points d and e as I've lost touch a bit with the Amiga scene in the last years, but anyway AmigaKit provided very clear information at least here.

EDIT
Information provided later by pavlor:
a. The price was 300-400 USD;
c. The cancellation was announced here.
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Now, if one really wants to discover more of the truth, this is what is needed:
* digging up the material relative to AmiWest 2011 and seeing if any retail price was mentioned, and also if the project was presented like something that would happen for sure or if cautious words were used;
* since Hyperion does not speak openly anymore, it is useless to hope in an answer from them, especially in such a hateful context like this; all that one can try is to ask politely and without ill intentions (privately or publicly).

Keeping on repeating the same speculation and the same criticism over and over again here will not bring any new element. The only practical effect is crucifying Hyperion once again. And that might well be the purpose of who brought up the matter - in fact:
* it was precisely Yasu who mentioned it in post 301 with the specific objective of presenting a mistake by Hyperion to strenghten the criticism that was being directed at them;
* Yasu, as I explained in detail in post 377, ignored the clear answer he got from AmigaKit and actually attacked AmigaKit;
* Yasu, at the end, in post 393 openly admits that he's asking without even expecting to get an answer.
This behaviour can be defined only as trolling.

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At that time acube, a-eon and hyperion were seen as unity

Not being able to distinguish between three separate companies, run by different people, and not being able to tell apart their respective projects would be an indication of lack of information or intellectual capabilities. That would not be a responsibility of the companies.

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@saimo

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Hyperion officially announced the laptop project at AmiWest 2011, possibly mentioning a retail price around 400-500 USD or EUR;

Well, Steven Solie announced netbook for 300-400 USD. But one can hardly call this official announcement (there was no press release on Hyperion´s site).

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Hyperion never announced the cancellation (at least, nobody remembers about an official statement);

End of netbook project was announced on AmigaOS development blog. This was after A-Eon involvement.

@pavlor

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Well, Steven Solie announced netbook for 300-400 USD. But one can hardly call this official announcement (there was no press release on Hyperion´s site).

I was there at Amiwest on the day. Steven told us it was an announcement directly from Hyperion. He then relayed that message to the Amiwest crowd, reading from a written statement.

It was a $250 to $500 price which proved impossible to match in an independent commercial review of it later on.

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@pavlor

can i be realistic?
a Netbook 300 - 400 usd with powerpc hw for amigaos will be not possible...
... a true price for a small number of machine based on amcc 440 can be 1000 usd
im sure not more than 200 units of this netbook will be sold ... and for sure i will never buy it .
I had an acer aspire one .... and the netbook are the worst computer in the world

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@amigakit

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Steven told us it was an announcement directly from Hyperion. He then relayed that message to the Amiwest crowd, reading from a written statement.

Right.

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It was a $250 to $500 price which proved impossible to match in an independent commercial review of it later on.

Steven talked about 300 to 400 USD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=526MH9bHHdU (after 0:40).

@tlosm

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a Netbook 300 - 400 usd with powerpc hw for amigaos will be not possible...

That was no new project, only rebranded LimeBook, which was sold even for less (200 USD).

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im sure not more than 200 units of this netbook will be sold ... and for sure i will never buy it .

For estimated target price, it would be least expensive OS4 computer ever - and even portable. It would sell like hot cake.

@pavlor

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Quote: Hyperion never announced the cancellation (at least, nobody remembers about an official statement); End of netbook project was announced on AmigaOS development blog. This was after A-Eon involvement.

You're right, thanks for this!
Announcement
Now that I see it, I remember about it.

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